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The thing to do is to pick a place, then get all the top religious leaders from every faith to meet there.

 

No media, no cameras.

 

Then ask them to get their Gods to fight each other to decide who is the strongest. We all have to bow down to the winner.

 

Of course, if the Gods don't show up at the designated place, the leaders need to stay there till they do.

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great news, no court cases to cost money when they plead not guilty, a few sad lawyers no doubt hoping to milk the system, but a happy ending all round.

And no propaganda moments for them to shout Allahu Akbar in court. Let them get on with seeing to the 72 virgins in paradise.

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The thing to do is to pick a place, then get all the top religious leaders from every faith to meet there.

 

No media, no cameras.

 

Then ask them to get their Gods to fight each other to decide who is the strongest. We all have to bow down to the winner.

 

Of course, if the Gods don't show up at the designated place, the leaders need to stay there till they do.

That was going well till the second line. Thought the third line was going to be "Shoot the bastards."

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The thing to do is to pick a place, then get all the top religious leaders from every faith to meet there.

 

No media, no cameras.

 

Then ask them to get their Gods to fight each other to decide who is the strongest. We all have to bow down to the winner.

 

Of course, if the Gods don't show up at the designated place, the leaders need to stay there till they do.

That was going well till the second line. Thought the third line was going to be "Shoot the bastards."

 

 

Yup. Your version is better woolley.

 

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great news, no court cases to cost money when they plead not guilty, a few sad lawyers no doubt hoping to milk the system, but a happy ending all round.

 

And no propaganda moments for them to shout Allahu Akbar in court. Let them get on with seeing to the 72 virgins in paradise.

These might be the virgins:

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Difficult one Quilp: lots of so called cartoons criticizing Jews are basically racist. As is the portrayal of Muslims as hook nosed Arabs.

 

Jews are in an entirely unique class of their own, Chinahand. They're both a religion and a race and yet they are also neither. The best description would be a nation. In religious texts they refer to themselves as a nation or commonwealth and some scholars refer to them as a civilisation.

 

I'm not arguing with what you're saying; I just think it's best not using them as an example in these cases as it opens up more issues than it closes.

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And now France also has an hostage situation at a kosher supermarket in a Paris suburb. Believed to be an 'associate' of the two holed-up in the print works.

 

Coming out of the woodwork....

 

This further confirms the need for a Jewish homeland.

 

If these spineless Jihadis had any courage they would take on the Israeli military like real men, not attack defenceless Jewish civilians in a supermarket in France. What a bunch of losers!

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There was an interview with a "moderate" Muslim in Paris broadcast last night. He was in a group that said the terrorists did not act in their name. The man was clearly well read and intelligent.

 

Taqiyya - it's permissible in Islam to lie through your teeth for propaganda and self-defence purposes. These spineless worm apologists who prance around claiming to be moderates are the worst of the lot. They are regularly on the TV talking a load of rubbish and speaking talking points that appeal to the braindead among us. They know most people are ignorant of Islam and they manipulate that by articulating a rose-tinted Walt Disney white-washed version of Islam that people will find amiable. Ask them what the punishment for apostasy is for in Islam and they will dance around it and if finally pushed they'll admit it's death but then they'll equivocate and say this is Britain and not an Islamic state and therefore it's irrelevant. As if. Their intention, indeed their duty as a Muslim, is to spread Islam to the four corners of the world. They pretend that sharia law only talks about their personal lifestyle or ethics and that the stuff about sharia law, totalitarian stuff like killing people for apostasy is just magically not part of the sharia law they believe in. As I said, a bunch of liars.

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The problem remains though, what to do about people who hate their fellow citizens with a fierce vengeance. They're not simply living in the wrong country, they seem to be living in the wrong millennium.

 

At the moment, I feel there is only one answer to this problem. The genuine and peaceful Muslims themselves. They must be more in tune with what's infiltrating their children's minds and poisoning their attitudes. They must be firmer and take back control of their children and their religion.

 

Maybe they should have to sign a promise of allegiance to the country that accepts them as residents? Any legal document spelling out clearly what living in a democratic country entails and requires of them?

 

I notice that Abu Hamza has been jailed for life in the USA. Quite right too. Jailed for life in America or housed and living on benefits in Britain. Tells me a lot about how things can be so wrong.

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There was an interview with a "moderate" Muslim in Paris broadcast last night. He was in a group that said the terrorists did not act in their name. The man was clearly well read and intelligent.

 

Taqiyya - it's permissible in Islam to lie through your teeth for propaganda and self-defence purposes. These spineless worm apologists who prance around claiming to be moderates are the worst of the lot. They are regularly on the TV talking a load of rubbish and speaking talking points that appeal to the braindead among us. They know most people are ignorant of Islam and they manipulate that by articulating a rose-tinted Walt Disney white-washed version of Islam that people will find amiable. Ask them what the punishment for apostasy is for in Islam and they will dance around it and if finally pushed they'll admit it's death but then they'll equivocate and say this is Britain and not an Islamic state and therefore it's irrelevant. As if. Their intention, indeed their duty as a Muslim, is to spread Islam to the four corners of the world. They pretend that sharia law only talks about their personal lifestyle or ethics and that the stuff about sharia law, totalitarian stuff like killing people for apostasy is just magically not part of the sharia law they believe in. As I said, a bunch of liars.

 

They probably curse the Jihadis as traitors for giving the game away.

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You may be interested in this. (skip to about 10:50) although I would recommend the original book itself, Suicide of the West: An Essay on the Meaning and Destiny of Liberalism by James Burnham. The panel includes idiots -- e.g. the first speaker speaks against Burnham's book and claims communism isn't anti-western. Of course it is. It's internationalist and cultural marxism is clearly occidentalist. But he does make a few good points from 17:00 onward, e.g. on political correctness.

 

When Americans say "liberalism" they mean left-wing marxism. REAL "liberalism" is something else entirely.

 

Suicide Of The West: An Essay On The Meaning And Destiny Of Liberalism

January 02, 2015 C-SPAN

Panelist talked about “Liberalism at Home and the Challenges to Western Survival,” as part of a conference at Yale on the 50th anniversary of the publication of James Burnham’s Suicide of the West: An Essay on the Meaning and Destiny of Liberalism. “Liberalism at Home and the Challenges to Western Survival” was a panel at a conference on James Burnham’s Suicide of the West: An Essay on the Meaning and Destiny of Liberalism, hosted by Yale University in recognition of the 50th anniversary of the book’s publication. This was the fourth annual conference of the William F. Buckley, Jr. Program.

 

 

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Do we really have free speech though? Racism and homophobia are certainly frowned upon. Not sure of the legalities but had the cartoons been portraying black people as gollywogs I suspect a lot of people would be calling for them to be shut down.

 

We have nothing like freedom of speech in Britain. The irony of all this talk of the cartoonists having "died for freedoms" or whatever is that those freedoms aren't available in Britain anyway. We have already allowed ourselves to be cowed into silence on religious matters by fear, misplaced tolerance, and governments wishing to quell internal strife with heavy-handed legislation. No British papers dared print the cartoon of Mohammed published in a Danish newspaper in 2005, except two small local papers whose editors were later sacked for the decision to print.

 

Many British people have tweeted "I am Charlie"; well you're not. You gave up your right to say the kind of things those French cartoonists were saying. You lay down and took it too in the name of tolerance and political correctness.

 

Difficult one Quilp: lots of so called cartoons criticizing Jews are basically racist. As is the portrayal of Muslims as hook nosed Arabs.

 

Much of the sense of isolation immigrant communities feel is racist, but the community in response to that racism unites around a cultural emblem - in this case their identity as Muslims. Disentangling the two and saying it is fine and dandy to critique and ridicule a religion while not ok to critique and ridicule the racial group is in fact a very difficult and complex task full of risks of mixing the two together.

 

We are talking about satire you soft shite. Stereotypes are often necessary to understand the meaning of the satire. What are you going to do, have every character in a cartoon carry around a placard denoting their religious and political affiliations to avoid portraying stereotypes? There is nothing wrong with stereotypes. They are a result of our brain's way of understanding the diversity of the world through sorting things into groups. This is quite unavoidable. However, we should be wary of them when negative or dangerous understandings become attached to them.

 

But as you say, it is a very tricky area.

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Ridiculing a people, and ridiculing an idea are two different things, and we shouldn't be afraid to call the difference. Racism is totally unacceptable, but the right to satirize belief is one of our many hard won freedoms, achieved over many centuries. If believers choose to conflate the two then that's their problem / choice, not ours. We made that choice a long time ago and let's stick with it.

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Aye, I doubt they have any problem ridiculing (in whatever way) other's disbelief. The difference lies in that other's don't get cross to the point of extreme violence as sometimes happens with the madder end of the spectrum.

 

Edit: How on earth can you ridicule a belief without ridiculing that whole section of that society if many of them are hell bent on being offended by placing unreasonable importance on that belief?

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