oldmanxfella Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 @ OMF - Money was invested in order to build such things as the hospital car park. That money can now be recovered by charging people who use the resource so assisting the Treasury. . So I work in a building (with carpark) paid for out of the main owners/shareholders funds. Using that logic everytime a director or an owner/shareholder turns up to work we should charge them £50 to park so that they gradually pay for a building and carpark they have already paid for once with their own money? That's what is being asked for here. People who originally bought the hospital and the carpark through their taxes might now be asked to pay to use it - to repay a debt and running costs that arw technically owed to themselves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesypeas Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Just make it disc parking - three hours, something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxy Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Just make it disc parking - three hours, something like that. I wish it was as simple as that CP, as casualties and their friends/relations etc could be stuck in A&E for some considerable time and dependant on the situation at that time. (expected time to be seen is updated as and when in A&E's waiting room) If a person is at deaths door (which unfortunately does happen from time to time), do they fall foul of this limit or go through the situation of telling the administrator of such a scheme that they couldn't move their vehicle because their relation/ friend/ other has died or needed them in some way? I hope that people do not have to do this as personally, it lies uncomfortable with me. I just think that the island is still one where the majority still cares for others and although I do knock the politicians and so forth from time to time, I still think that they will do things for the better good of the people they represent. I know, I may receive some ridicule over this, but IMO, the politicians would want to show that they care for those in need when it matters most and if they don't, then time to get rid! Ideally, it would be good to see that those who do park and ride in the hospital, park in the outer car parks (as some already do) which would alleviate some of the problems of parking closer to the hospital. If the problem still exists, then another car park should be considered. Why do they park in the hospital? It's free and in one sense, the people who car share actually help by reducing the number of vehicles entering Douglas and they also save money by doing so. I would not want someone thinking up new ways to tax the public as I feel that the public have suffered enough with various stealth taxes and further charges just add to the problems and increasing resentment by the people. There are many qualified people who can better explain what should be done although lets keep the comments on the hospital car park for now and lets follow what we want on the Isle of Man instead of following so many bad practises in the UK mainland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wankleaks Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Just make it disc parking - three hours, something like that. I wish it was as simple as that CP, as casualties and their friends/relations etc could be stuck in A&E for some considerable time and dependant on the situation at that time. (expected time to be seen is updated as and when in A&E's waiting room) If a person is at deaths door (which unfortunately does happen from time to time), do they fall foul of this limit or go through the situation of telling the administrator of such a scheme that they couldn't move their vehicle because their relation/ friend/ other has died or needed them in some way? We don't want some old sob story about some sick/dead relative. We just want the parking fee off them to pay some civil servants wages and top up their pension. That's what the Island will be reduced to: story to hear about your accident/injury/cancer/dead granny. Where's your disc and where's your £5? Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gymbabe Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Just make it disc parking - three hours, something like that. I wish it was as simple as that CP, as casualties and their friends/relations etc could be stuck in A&E for some considerable time and dependant on the situation at that time. (expected time to be seen is updated as and when in A&E's waiting room) If a person is at deaths door (which unfortunately does happen from time to time), do they fall foul of this limit or go through the situation of telling the administrator of such a scheme that they couldn't move their vehicle because their relation/ friend/ other has died or needed them in some way? We don't want some old sob story about some sick/dead relative. We just want the parking fee off them to pay some civil servants wages and top up their pension. That's what the Island will be reduced to: story to hear about your accident/injury/cancer/dead granny. Where's your disc and where's your £5? Have a nice day. That's what happens in some areas in the UK. It happened to my cousin, who was responding to the 'you'd better come back quickly...' phone call. She had no money to park, hospital car park controlled by barriers, so had to abandon her car. When my Nanna had died, an hour later, she returned to a clamp on her car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOMRS97 Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 ANPR cameras at the hospital will be on someone's agenda I'm sure. The days when the Isle of Man was special are fast disappearing - we might as well be a UK county and have done with it (we would only need one MP so think of the savings there!). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wankleaks Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) Just make it disc parking - three hours, something like that.I wish it was as simple as that CP, as casualties and their friends/relations etc could be stuck in A&E for some considerable time and dependant on the situation at that time. (expected time to be seen is updated as and when in A&E's waiting room)If a person is at deaths door (which unfortunately does happen from time to time), do they fall foul of this limit or go through the situation of telling the administrator of such a scheme that they couldn't move their vehicle because their relation/ friend/ other has died or needed them in some way? We don't want some old sob story about some sick/dead relative. We just want the parking fee off them to pay some civil servants wages and top up their pension. That's what the Island will be reduced to: story to hear about your accident/injury/cancer/dead granny. Where's your disc and where's your £5? Have a nice day.That's what happens in some areas in the UK. It happened to my cousin, who was responding to the 'you'd better come back quickly...' phone call. She had no money to park, hospital car park controlled by barriers, so had to abandon her car. When my Nanna had died, an hour later, she returned to a clamp on her car. This is what' we aspire to reduce the Island to. We are so desparate for money (apparently) that this is the sort of option that fills a public sector administrators heart with glee. No need to have to pay into my pension myself: just think of all that money rolling in from chemo patients, accident victims, and recently bereaved relatives so I dont have to pay my share. Edited February 25, 2015 by Wankleaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverAgain Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I don't mind paying for a ticket for as long as I can find a space, but for long time stays (such as visiting every day) I'd like to see either a permit or a discounted rate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAMinute Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Just make it disc parking - three hours, something like that.I wish it was as simple as that CP, as casualties and their friends/relations etc could be stuck in A&E for some considerable time and dependant on the situation at that time. (expected time to be seen is updated as and when in A&E's waiting room)If a person is at deaths door (which unfortunately does happen from time to time), do they fall foul of this limit or go through the situation of telling the administrator of such a scheme that they couldn't move their vehicle because their relation/ friend/ other has died or needed them in some way? We don't want some old sob story about some sick/dead relative. We just want the parking fee off them to pay some civil servants wages and top up their pension. That's what the Island will be reduced to: story to hear about your accident/injury/cancer/dead granny. Where's your disc and where's your £5? Have a nice day.That's what happens in some areas in the UK. It happened to my cousin, who was responding to the 'you'd better come back quickly...' phone call. She had no money to park, hospital car park controlled by barriers, so had to abandon her car. When my Nanna had died, an hour later, she returned to a clamp on her car. This is what' we aspire to reduce the Island to. We are so desparate for money (apparently) that this is the sort of option that fills a public sector administrators heart with glee. No need to have to pay into my pension myself: just think of all that money rolling in from chemo patients, accident victims, and recently bereaved relatives so I dont have to pay my share. Spot on. This is now getting silly. Can these people not see what they are doing ? The Isle of Man is special , partly because we didn't go in for this type of thing. These idiots run the risk of ruining one of the few things that differentiate us from everywhere else. Who are they I wonder ? Public servant brought in from across , or did they go on some jolly to see how things are done 'properly' ? Really , the amounts garnered by such silly ideas are miniscule compared to the bottomless pit that is Civil Service pay and pensions. Lose some higher CS staff - no make that a lot of them - clearly they are running the show , and are not fit to be ! Then appointing a parking attendant to make sure that parkers are on hospital business. If we degenerate to the situation found run by some Councils across then we are really scraping the bottom of the moral barrel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAMinute Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 @ OMF - Money was invested in order to build such things as the hospital car park. That money can now be recovered by charging people who use the resource so assisting the Treasury. There's a mindset involved. Because central funding was used to build a resource does not mean it should then be free to use thereafter. It's going to happen. It has to. Another means of funding essential high cost infrastructure is Private Finance Initiative wherein a business consortium puts up the capital to provide a facility and then leases it to the government over a period of time. It's an expensive means of delivering pubic services but where the capital is not available to meet a need it's the least worst solution. I think PFI has turned out to be the worst solution . It certainly isn't a cheap way of providing anything - quite the opposite. There's a lot of sacred cows that are going to have to be slaughtered on the Island. What people have come to expect as their right and normal simply is not affordable any more. Maybe, but lets start by removing some of the dead wood in Government first - ie all thos smug eejits who thing they know what they are doing but who a) got us into this mess in the first place b) can't see any other way out than spending more or charging for stuff c) don't understand that saving means spending less I believe that there's a great many things that are going to have to be paid for by the people who make use of them. Why? we have already paid for them. If, like the Incinerator for example , the people who let the contract now find it's costing a fortune to run - it is not my fault ( repeat - it is not my fault ) - it is theirs alone - their mistake - their idiocy .... let them find the money by making real savings in Government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bees Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 (edited) People parking at the hospital all day while they goto work in Douglas? Really? Who is mental enough and scummy enough to do that? This sounds like horse crap! If there are people who do this, they need to be shamed....they'd soon stop if someone sprayed something on their car (like bits of body oh I just thought of a goodie, smear sudocrem on their cars, mare to get off) Edited February 25, 2015 by 2bees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2bees Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I am really annoyed by this. Manxy, Wrighty....do you know these cars? Lol got any kidney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamon Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 Spook - it might be better that you spent more time on the UK websites now that you're using the NHS services in the UK, There's a private members bill scheduled for its second reading next week - proposing the abolition of hospital car parking charges! http://services.parliament.uk./bills/2014-15/hospitalcarparkingchargesabolition/stages.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDave Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 They should just do what they've done at the community health centre (old Nobles). Put barrier entry to the car park and to exit you need a token from the clinic or ward you're visiting. Simple and cheap. Hardly simple and cheap. Compare it to a management company with salaried staff and in all likelihood more complex control systems put in place at our expense and it's simple and cheap. Really, it's 2 barriers and a bag of tokens. As someone who takes an amputee to the prosthetic clinic I can say with absolute certainty that not having a bunch of selfish pricks parked in there all day for free when they have no business in the building it serves is massively helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted February 25, 2015 Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'm afraid that there's more than a few people on the Island that are going to have to face a future that is going to be VERY different from what they have come to expect as being their 'rights'. Not only the loss of what has been free at the point of use but also how life will change as the various professionals bail out for somewhere that is not facing a 'Perfect Storm' as the changes bite, and in biting create even more changes - and even harder bites. Any young person who can escape from what IS coming down the pike really should. The Island has a history of emigration peaks, the next has started. Time to join it, or get ready for the coming depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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