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The people want:

 

1) Democratically elected LegCo, where members are paid for attendance rather than a massive salary

 

2) Some input & choice of next CoMin administration

 

3) No MLCs in government posts

 

Provided these are delivered I don't think Mr Robertshaw's intervention will be too detrimental

1 and 2 may be desirious conditions if Legco is to be retained but the first very first decision is, should Legco be retained?

 

Comin is a different debate.

 

It is true that MHKs are 'conflicted' over Legco and that is why the first debate has to be if it is needed and if not, then how would its scrutinising role be incorporated into the Keys?

 

 

There was an attempt some years ago to have a scrutiny committee look at legislation before it was introduced to the Keys, which would seem sensible enough but this was rejected by Comin. ( So this should not be attempted in the Legco debate because it would set Comin against legit reform of Legco).

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Been a few calls for constitutional reform in the UK in the last week, not least from Gordon Brown

 

So President Bell cannot argue that its undemocratic or whatever stupid form of denial he wants to put forward next

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Roll Up Roll Up the next session of the most undemocratic political farce anywhere in the world takes place tommorrow, and I wonder if the threat of being recalled during the summer vacation will bring an end to this farce.

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Chris Thomas is calling for a referendum on the issue of our Legislature I understand

The only way the issue of Legco to be sorted once and for all is a Referendum, as the elected members are totally conflicted. It is for the people to decide on what would be a major constitutional change, Alan Bell should looking at the bigger picture, instead of blaming members of the House of Keys as to how they exercise their voting, as it is a private vote how does he know some members are not voting.

 

Buster is correct. The only way the future of Legco and the number of MHKs etc will be sorted out (at least to the satisfaction of the voting public) will be by referendum. Until then this issue will simply be towed along behind the gravy train ad infinitum.

Turkeys never have voted for Xmas. Likewise MHKs and MLCs certainly will not be voting for a reduction in either their numbers in the Keys or for the abolition of, or imposition of public elections for Legco. Unfortunately those two august bodies are impervious to criticism and negative public opinion and will remain tightly hitched to the gravy train.

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the most undemocratic political farce anywhere in the world

Really? Anywhere? I doubt that.

 

Fook off SM you are one annoying T**t

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Chris Thomas is calling for a referendum on the issue of our Legislature I understand

The only way the issue of Legco to be sorted once and for all is a Referendum, as the elected members are totally conflicted. It is for the people to decide on what would be a major constitutional change, Alan Bell should looking at the bigger picture, instead of blaming members of the House of Keys as to how they exercise their voting, as it is a private vote how does he know some members are not voting.

 

Buster is correct. The only way the future of Legco and the number of MHKs etc will be sorted out (at least to the satisfaction of the voting public) will be by referendum. Until then this issue will simply be towed along behind the gravy train ad infinitum.

Turkeys never have voted for Xmas. Likewise MHKs and MLCs certainly will not be voting for a reduction in either their numbers in the Keys or for the abolition of, or imposition of public elections for Legco. Unfortunately those two august bodies are impervious to criticism and negative public opinion and will remain tightly hitched to the gravy train.

 

 

A referendum sounds like a good idea but, as we all know, the outcome can depend on what question is asked, and how it is phrased. So what is the question that needs to be asked....?

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"Should the Isle of Man remain a pastiche of a modern democracy?"

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Chris Thomas is calling for a referendum on the issue of our Legislature I understand

The only way the issue of Legco to be sorted once and for all is a Referendum, as the elected members are totally conflicted. It is for the people to decide on what would be a major constitutional change, Alan Bell should looking at the bigger picture, instead of blaming members of the House of Keys as to how they exercise their voting, as it is a private vote how does he know some members are not voting.

 

Buster is correct. The only way the future of Legco and the number of MHKs etc will be sorted out (at least to the satisfaction of the voting public) will be by referendum. Until then this issue will simply be towed along behind the gravy train ad infinitum.

Turkeys never have voted for Xmas. Likewise MHKs and MLCs certainly will not be voting for a reduction in either their numbers in the Keys or for the abolition of, or imposition of public elections for Legco. Unfortunately those two august bodies are impervious to criticism and negative public opinion and will remain tightly hitched to the gravy train.

 

 

A referendum sounds like a good idea but, as we all know, the outcome can depend on what question is asked, and how it is phrased. So what is the question that needs to be asked....?

 

Totally agree Commish, therein lies the problem. We could all start by asking some pertinent questions of our elected and prospective MHKs between now and September 2016.

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Well Moyle should get in tomorrow. It's the other seat that is going to be difficult to fill. Maybe now we have two new MHKs there might be a surprise nomination.

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Well Moyle should get in tomorrow.

I wonder. Either it'll be a big yes or a big no IMO.

 

My money's currently on a big no...Turkeys don't normally vote for Christmas or for a wolf to be in charge.

 

Interesting day ahead.

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If Mr Moyle does not get in it will be the final nail in the coffin of good governance and an illustration of a truly rotten edifice !

 

These people are elected by we muppets to run the isle of man to the best of their ability not to run themselves to the best of their ability, appalling !

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If Mr Moyle does not get in it will be the final nail in the coffin of good governance and an illustration of a truly rotten edifice !

 

Not really. At least, it would be only if he'd received enough votes to get into Legco, but for some underhand reason was prevented from taking his seat.

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First vote done - 23 MHKs present to vote (need 13 votes)

Anderson 7

Braidwood 9

Crookall 9

Moyle 6

Tinkler 5

 

Only 36 out of a possible 46 votes cast and nobody elected at this stage

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Second vote - 37 of 46 possible votes cast

Anderson 8

Braidwood 11

Crookall 11

Moyle 5

Tinkler 2 - has withdrawn for the next vote

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