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Skelly will be fully occupied with the six new banks won`t he?

Have you made a typo after "new"?

 

No, you read it right the first time. Skelly said it in an interview a few weeks ago. They're comin' I tell ya....

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Why is that on the Island more than anywhere else people are not made to face up to their stupidity and be identified to the tax payers who have to pick up the bills that result.

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Why is that on the Island more than anywhere else people are not made to face up to their stupidity and be identified to the tax payers who have to pick up the bills that result.

Because they have become so accustomed to wasting huge amounts of taxpayers money when there was a huge surplus that they have no clue what the word consequences means !

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Why is that on the Island more than anywhere else people are not made to face up to their stupidity and be identified to the tax payers who have to pick up the bills that result.

 

>Why is that on the Island more than anywhere else...

 

Oh come come now. Former UK Home Secretary, The Right Honourable (snigger) David Blunkett MP, makes Shimmin look like a saint.

 

Him 'retiring' more times than Status Quo didn't aid the UK's political reputation either.

 

"There are none so blind as those that will not see" Proverbs: Chapter 3 verse 7.

 

TBT.

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They are aided and abetted at every turn by the complete indifference of 98% of those who elect them in, year after year on some cases.

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Next one won't be any different :) The forums will keep turning :)

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You cannot just blame a MHK for this, there also has to be blame put at the door of the advisers and other parties that have helped in coming up with these schemes.

 

I tend to think that most of the spending in government is usually advised by the people they are purchasing off sorcerer.gif

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You cannot just blame a MHK for this, there also has to be blame put at the door of the advisers and other parties that have helped in coming up with these schemes.

 

I tend to think that most of the spending in government is usually advised by the people they are purchasing off :sorcerer:

Yes, but you have to ask yourself are the rights questions being asked by our elected MHK's and MLC's.

 

My Waste Report re. "Escalating Gate Fees" at the Energy From Waste Plant clearly shows just one example;-

 

 

In Tynwald Court on 18th October 2003, the Minister for Local Government and Environment (Mr. Gilbey) brought the following motion:

That Tynwald:

 

1) approves the expenditure of a sum not exceeding £43,523,000 on progression of the integrated (energy from waste) incinerator facility project and associated works;

 

2) endorses the proposed financing arrangements based upon the sale and leaseback model; and

 

3) in approving this motion notes the report of the department on the public health issues which has been circulated to members.

Mr. Gilbey also informed the Court that unless they finance the deal as outlined in paragraphs 1 & 2 above, the deal would be infinitely less attractive.

 

The debate on the motion lasted several hours. Many members at the time felt that the incinerator being proposed was too big for the island future needs, taking into account alternative options such as recycling. Other members felt the project was yet another Rolls Royce scheme and that cheaper options were available.

 

After reading the entire debate, I am somewhat surprised that no member within Tynwald asked for further information or clarification on the sale and leaseback model being tabled. At the end of the debate Tynwald Court approved the motion and an incinerator with an operational range of between 40,000 and 65,000 tonnes was approved, along with the sale and leaseback model.

 

That one decision meant that;

 

1) the EFW Plant was built for £44 million,

2) Then sold to the IOM Bank for £52 million

3) Leased Back by the DOI over a 25 year period for £85 million

4) in 2029 the ownership will transfer back to the DOI for £1

5) the DOI have now started to transfer the £3.4 loan costs (each year) onto the ratepayer (this adds an extra £68 per tonne)

6) The £68 per tonne is on top of £82 per tonne that represents the contract between the DOI and SITA (IOM) Limited

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Over the past couple of years, I've formed the opinion that money (VAT) was, quite simply, so plentiful that complacency was the order of the day, throughout Government, CS and many of the local authorities - it simply didn't matter, vote it through, if whatever it was went tits-up we'd just throw money at it until it was right, or buy another one. Remember Eddie Lowey gurgling on about Rolls Royce schemes and not even knowing where about on the day's Order Paper Tynwald was up to? That was simply symptomatic.

 

I don't think anybody ever envisaged the scenario that one day we might not be receiving this walloping great handout that we'd so cleverly entitled ourselves to. Some still haven't grasped it.

 

The situation now is everyone's worst nightmare (if you live in the real world). Schemes and arrangements were set up on the basis that an extra £200m a year would always be coming in to fund them. It's everywhere you look, the Govt./CS payroll, the Incinerator costs and operating arrangements, the rank negligence and incompetence that allowed the MEA/Power Station shenanigans to take place, the half-arsed IRIS system that neglected to consider that we've got the odd hill in the way, marinas filling up with shit because we dammed the river that used to run out to sea, plentiful benefits, our whole economy.

 

These people were in a position that they simply didn't have to think, read about or know anything about what they were voting through. If it was a bright, shiny new Idea, we'll have the best model please. In the case of the Incinerator, God help me and every other ratepayer in 2-3yrs time when the full burden is passed on to the rates.

 

In the case of all the other debt, God help everyone who's still living on the rock. Complacency has ruled, the kids ran riot in the sweet shop. Now the account has to be settled and we're only just receiving the initial demands IMHO.

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One day you lot will wake up to what is going on.

 

Great post there Rob I was told that by a friend a few years back but didn't know the figures, surely the lease is just there to keep the iom bank ticking over and once the lease finishes I bet major spending will be needed on the infrastructure of the plant ?

 

What's their answer to that? upgrade it then sell it again w00t.gif

 

There is no accountability to these bloody halfwits so they can do as they please, and the good old boys in the MLC make sure of that.

 

They really are embarrassing in there greed.

 

Are you not thinking of going for MHK Rob the island needs a few more thorns to keep an eye on the pricks thumbsup.gif

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Albert that's so last century, nowadays they are called consultants and they even pay tax on their bung lol

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Let's wait till the real investigations start and we start to trace the brown envelopes.

Theres no way any one will find a trail of brown envelopes, the people looking will be told not to find any.

 

Governement is full of people who don't give a shit and ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE.

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Whats needed is an internal whistleblowing facility. In my experienced opinion!

A substantial part of the problem, if not the root cause of most of the problem comes from where whistleblowing should originate.

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