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Well they won't be. Do you accept that the nationality of citizens of the UK is British?

Yes. It is.

OK progress. Do you also accept that I am not a citizen of the UK?

 

Bad Monkey! You willfully ignored the rest of the post that qualifies those words. You are not a citizen of the UK. This is not an impediment to your Britishness however, so rejoice.

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The current work permit system is failing. There is no accurate record of who is arriving or leaving, so how can such a system be effective?

 

Close the whole department down and save more of the wasted £Thousands.

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Well they won't be. Do you accept that the nationality of citizens of the UK is British?

Yes. It is.

OK progress. Do you also accept that I am not a citizen of the UK?

 

are you thick?

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Well they won't be. Do you accept that the nationality of citizens of the UK is British?

Yes. It is.

OK progress. Do you also accept that I am not a citizen of the UK?

 

Bad Monkey! You willfully ignored the rest of the post that qualifies those words. You are not a citizen of the UK. This is not an impediment to your Britishness however, so rejoice.

 

No qualification required, these are the facts the rest is your opinion.

 

Facts;

You agree "British" is the nationality of a citizen of the UK.

You agree that I am not a citizen of the UK

 

Opinion:

You think I don't want to be British because of the historical actions of the British/English. You may well be correct, or partly correct. The point is that it has no relevance to the facts whatsoever. Regardless whether I want to/ don't want to be British or my reasoning behind wanting to be / not wanting to be the fact remains I am not.

 

And as for selective answering - I refer you to my post #96, a majority of which went completely ignored in your reply.

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Well they won't be. Do you accept that the nationality of citizens of the UK is British?

Yes. It is.

OK progress. Do you also accept that I am not a citizen of the UK?

 

are you thick?

 

Yes, what's your excuse?

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It's SHITE being Scottish manx! We're the lowest of the low. The scum of the fu*king Earth! The most wretched, miserable, servile, pathetic trash that was ever shat into civilization. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. We're ruled by effete arseholes. It's a SHITE state of affairs to be in, Tommy, and ALL the fresh air in the world won't make any fucking difference!

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A deaf dumb blind kid, sure plays a mean pin-ball.

 

Apparently ...

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Regardless whether I want to/ don't want to be British or my reasoning behind wanting to be / not wanting to be the fact remains I am not.

The Westminster govt seems to disagree with you. If you are Manx then from their perspective it seems that you are British regardless of whether you would prefer not to be.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/258245/UKnational.pdf

 

2. ... Generally speaking, the term "United Kingdom national" or, more colloquially, "British national" covers:

 

British citizens

British Dependent Territories citizens

British Overseas citizens

British subjects (under Part IV of the BNA 1981)

British protected persons

British Nationals (Overseas)

The implication according to gov.uk would seem to be that it is possible to a British national without being a British citizen. Though Sections 5 of that document also refers to Isle of Man people as being regarded as British citizens / UK nationals (whether or not covered by the EU exclusion which relates to some people).

 

There is also the fact that Manx people living in UK are defined as British according to the UK census. If the Manx are British when living in the UK then they are also British when not living in the UK. Since where someone lives does not determine their nationality.

 

ETA: seems to me that the grandparent rule should apply re work permits. i.e. if you have a Manx born grandparent then you shouldn't need a work permit.

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http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/people-in-ict-and-e-business-won-t-need-work-permits-1-7716207

 

100 Indian and Eastern European immigrants a year will take the government 200 years to achieve the chamber of own interests target of 20000 peons to perpetuate the largesse of the public sector liability in pensions and the lifestyles of the entitled never mind ordinary services. Thus begins the ramp up for new residents.

 

The work permit system has been broken for some years and in the current climate of austerity the indiginous population once again gets shafted.

 

The Island I grew up on has changed out of all recognition and the minority local serfs have been turned over again as vested interests pull the strings on their bought and paid for puppets masquarading as servants of the people.

 

There are too many foreign immigrants here already bleeding the Island dry with no allegiance to this place whatsoever. We need strong representatives who will favour the Manx not sellouts to the carpetbaggers who congregate here with impunity.

 

When this Island falls the snake oil salesmen will be long gone with elements of the chamber of own interests and the locals will be left to pick up the pieces wondering how the hell they have been sold down the river.

 

All that remains will be young people with no future, no prospects of purchasing property and an army of elderly people mainly immigrants draining every penny from the health service.

 

Robust action needed urgently to purge the immigrant element of useless eaters that drain our society and an end to weak self interested sellouts that infest our government doing the bidding of their masters. Enough is enough Manx first.

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All that remains will be young people with no future, no prospects of purchasing property and an army of elderly people mainly immigrants draining every penny from the health service.

 

There's always future, lots of future. One short boat trip away...

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http://www.iomtoday.co.im/news/isle-of-man-news/people-in-ict-and-e-business-won-t-need-work-permits-1-7716207

 

100 Indian and Eastern European immigrants a year will take the government 200 years to achieve the chamber of own interests target of 20000 peons to perpetuate the largesse of the public sector liability in pensions and the lifestyles of the entitled never mind ordinary services. Thus begins the ramp up for new residents.

 

The work permit system has been broken for some years and in the current climate of austerity the indiginous population once again gets shafted.

 

The Island I grew up on has changed out of all recognition and the minority local serfs have been turned over again as vested interests pull the strings on their bought and paid for puppets masquarading as servants of the people.

 

There are too many foreign immigrants here already bleeding the Island dry with no allegiance to this place whatsoever. We need strong representatives who will favour the Manx not sellouts to the carpetbaggers who congregate here with impunity.

 

When this Island falls the snake oil salesmen will be long gone with elements of the chamber of own interests and the locals will be left to pick up the pieces wondering how the hell they have been sold down the river.

 

All that remains will be young people with no future, no prospects of purchasing property and an army of elderly people mainly immigrants draining every penny from the health service.

 

Robust action needed urgently to purge the immigrant element of useless eaters that drain our society and an end to weak self interested sellouts that infest our government doing the bidding of their masters. Enough is enough Manx first.

....................what of the incomers who do have allegiance to our beautiful island?

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