Roxanne 1,517 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 50 minutes ago, TheTeapot said: and a massive fence is in place around the White House. Did the Mexicans pay for it? 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ThreeRaccoonsInATrenchCoat 86 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 It's remarkable the way the corporate news media have managed to gaslight everyone into believing this false image of Biden/Harris being the lovey dovey "liberal" option when they're nothing of the sort. Appearance and propaganda aside, Biden and Harris are the most far right, authoritarian, warmongering, and extreme option. Trump's a mild pacifist liberal hippie in comparison to those two. 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 8,053 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 1 hour ago, ThreeRaccoonsInATrenchCoat said: It's remarkable the way the corporate news media have managed to gaslight everyone into believing this false image of Biden/Harris being the lovey dovey "liberal" option when they're nothing of the sort. Appearance and propaganda aside, Biden and Harris are the most far right, authoritarian, warmongering, and extreme option. Trump's a mild pacifist liberal hippie in comparison to those two. Yes, TJ 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
manxman1980 1,550 Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, ThreeRaccoonsInATrenchCoat said: Trump's a mild pacifist liberal hippie in comparison to those two. Trump isn't a pacifist. Sure he has not pursued an aggressive foreign policy but his claims about voter fraud, involving lawyers should the result not being going his way, and refusing to step down as President are likely to help trigger a civil war. I can't help but think that this benefits Russia and China whilst dragging the USA deeper into the mud. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTeapot 9,856 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Trump is going to win 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GD4ELI 2,741 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 hours ago, TheTeapot said: Trump is going to win It's closer than expected, that's for sure. America has sunk to an all-time low . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheTeapot 9,856 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 It can still sink lower. It's very close indeed. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Declan 7,221 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 hour ago, TheTeapot said: It can still sink lower. It just did. Trump's speech. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zarley 292 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Declan said: It just did. Trump's speech. You mean his lie-fest? He claimed he's won states that haven't completed counting. He's well known for projection - claiming the other side is doing things that he's actually the one doing. And he's claiming fraud and claiming his voters are being disenfranchised. It's what HE is doing. He's been planning this for months. It's why he put a fence around the White House. It's why he moved his party to the White House. He wants easy access to his bunker for when the shit hits the fan, and it will if he doubles down on claiming victory before the final count. And he will. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the stinking enigma 11,180 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Its difficult to work out which would be worse. A close trump victory or a close trump defeat. Not sure it will make any difference either way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mojomonkey 3,380 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 So far the only positive I can see from this shambles is that it looks like more people have voted than last time. In my book that's good news for democracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Roxanne 1,517 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 That he's declared victory before the votes are counted is hugely incendiary to a country already in a state of enormous tension. Whatever happens, there will be trouble - and he's there whipping it up and fanning the flames. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Declan 7,221 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 34 minutes ago, mojomonkey said: So far the only positive I can see from this shambles is that it looks like more people have voted than last time. In my book that's good news for democracy. Only if they're all counted. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mojomonkey 3,380 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mojomonkey 3,380 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Looks like a shutdown and legal battle looming. Neither side looking strong enough at the moment to claim anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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