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'jam sandwich'.

I've not heard that for a decade or two. I think the younger former members will have to Google it

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2 minutes ago, gettafa said:

'jam sandwich'.

I've not heard that for a decade or two. I think the younger former members will have to Google it

I can recall when police most of them had no car but a few had push bikes, no walkie talkies, a whistle and a wooden stick....That was it...And they had rain capes...The changes were all imported from the USA when Kirby New Town was developed and the Chief Constable went to Chicago to look see. Result was Jam sandwich and of course BBC TV Z cars series set in New Town ie Kirby

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15 hours ago, Rushen Spy said:

Amazing how lots of pubs can exist, with different owners, and operate and be competitive and still bring in a lot of customers and revenue without each harming the business of the others. Is it possible that could exist here, instead of the Brewery trying to apply a 15th century guild economic model to the 21st century service economy?

 

15 hours ago, dilligaf said:

What ?

Zero sum economic model: the assumption that for in commerce, for one party must gain, the party must be deprived. Or in the case of the guilds, for some to remain prosperous, others must be kept out. Although I wouldn't mix that in with unions and opposition to artificial labour market saturation as that really is an example where they're screwing people over.

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When drinking is all in public ie the pubs, it is easy to assess the problems.

Once it goes behind closed doors via the supermarket (and door to door from online wine merchants for example) then the problems are hidden.

I rented a house off a guy who had previously had a bank manager for a tenant. Nice and respectable you would think, but he couldn't wait to get him out. Apparently, amongst other things, he fell asleep pissed on the settee each night in his own piss/shit/vomit, depending on the night of the week.

There's a lot to be said for public houses and properly licensed regulated drink outlets.

 

 

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Not Isle of Man.

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, LightBulb said:

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Can the truth be defamatory? - asking for a friend

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1 hour ago, PmJ said:

Can the truth be defamatory? - asking for a friend

The greater the truth the greater the libel...."We like to be insulted don't we Mr Fogg...It's a pleasure Mr Dodgson….It's an income Mr Fogg... (Pickwick)

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I got told this by a chef that works for the brewery. From April 1st, all tips are to be sent to the brewery. The brewery are going to take a 20% cut, with the rest being shared out between the staff through their pay-packets, ensuring the tips are taxed. He ain't happy at all. 

That's all I was told. I wasn't told whether the tips will be divvied up per establishment or across the brewery as a whole. I cannot say for certain if it's 100% truth.

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11 minutes ago, rodders said:

I got told this by a chef that works for the brewery. From April 1st, all tips are to be sent to the brewery. The brewery are going to take a 20% cut, with the rest being shared out between the staff through their pay-packets, ensuring the tips are taxed. He ain't happy at all. 

That's all I was told. I wasn't told whether the tips will be divvied up per establishment or across the brewery as a whole. I cannot say for certain if it's 100% truth.

Is this a wind up , when I tip someone for good service it's a personal gift ( and given separately to that paying the bill)?

If the brewery take the tip and redistribute it as they think fit , taking some for themselves it's 'theft' in my book .

When I worked in pubs/restaurants, way back ,you 'worked' your tips, by smiling being friendly giving good and prompt service and being attentive , if my workmates adopted a similar attitude we split the tips if not then my tips were mine .

I got paid so little for waiting on back then without the tips it 'wouldn't have been worth the candle'

Rant over :D

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59 minutes ago, paswt said:

Is this a wind up , when I tip someone for good service it's a personal gift ( and given separately to that paying the bill)?

If the brewery take the tip and redistribute it as they think fit , taking some for themselves it's 'theft' in my book .

When I worked in pubs/restaurants, way back ,you 'worked' your tips, by smiling being friendly giving good and prompt service and being attentive , if my workmates adopted a similar attitude we split the tips if not then my tips were mine .

I got paid so little for waiting on back then without the tips it 'wouldn't have been worth the candle'

Rant over :D

We always tip too, but maybe we should just try to stuff a fiver in the waitresses hand and not pay the tip at the till.

Maybe the brewery would have to pay more for staff when the chefs all bugger off.

Nobody should EVER have to rely on tips to make a living. Shameful situation..( I always ask when paying by card if the tip goes directly to the staff, as if not I either give a cash tip for the jar, or even nothing if it goes to the brewery.)

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59 minutes ago, Dave Hedgehog said:

State of the food in the brewery pubs I doubt the ‘chefs’ need worry about this affecting them too much.

You get what you pay for or, are willing to spend  for your needs that night.

If you want a trio of Lamb chops or deep fried Cod, the pub will do it better that you can at home because they have the griddle or big fryer and it wont go soggy in the paper from the chip shop!

You don't want to pay that much? Go for the Hamburger and in all cases. allow time for your food to be prepared, 10 mins and you're back at the bar complaining that your food is taking too long? Go home and see if you can produce it as well and quicker!

 

 

Chefs in Pubs getting tips!!! When did that start??? Maybe that's what it's all about?

 

 

 

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Could be to do with not wanting to be indirectly facilitating tax avoidance. Tips are taxable income. If they take control of tips and then pay them with wages, they would then have tax deducted.

As long as all tips are shared out and the company make no gain, that's OK I guess. However I do like to think I'm tipping a particular person for a job well done.

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18 minutes ago, Capt_Mainwaring said:

Could be to do with not wanting to be indirectly facilitating tax avoidance. Tips are taxable income. If they take control of tips and then pay them with wages, they would then have tax deducted.

As long as all tips are shared out and the company make no gain, that's OK I guess. However I do like to think I'm tipping a particular person for a job well done.

Taxing tips, whatever next!

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