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You'll find there are more tradesmen than work.

 

I'm not disputing if you are busy or not. But it is a fact that if a large number of electricians (or any other trade) are chasing half the work then it has an impact.

 

And, like it or not, the finance sector is key to that.

 

Next you'll be telling me you don't do any jobs for people involved in the finance sector.whatever.gif

Give it a rest ' money man ' the whole of civilisation is not down to the Manx FS. I'm sure many others are utterly bored by your constant justification of the industry you are plainly reliant on. Monkey Boy is dead on, there is plenty of work for the ' local ' tradesmen. The problem is oversupply of same ( Dandara ) etc who came to the Island ( as is the way with building booms ) to service the mass of Office buildings and Apartments that have blighted our Island over the last 30 years. The Comeover building workers are disappearing at a rapid rate now, along with the big contracts. Good luck to all the ' local ' lads in building I am sure things have not been easy of late, but are reasonably okay now. I am aware of the huge new ' industrial ' Office Blocks at The Cooil, these will be occupied , for the time , at the expense of Douglas Centrals expense, as can be witnessed in Athol Street and Circular Road.

 

 

I think this is quite wrong. The FS, whether you like it or not, is the wealth generator for the IOM, Without it, the other sectors would not exist - we all depend on it. If you don't like that, suggest an alternative.

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What industry and business. Give me examples of how the island can move away from its reliance on the finance sector.

E- gaming ( your comment ) not to my liking, but there you are. As to other Diversity, according to Government ; Industry / manufacturing, Tourism ( ie Culture / History/ Walking) .there are bound to be others. My argument against the FS has always been the ' All our eggs in one basket ) scenario.

So you are advocating diversity into eGaming? It's already now our biggest sector so the IOM has done that.

 

Aside of that you have not given me any examples of how the island can diversify. You mention Industry and Manufacturing - give me examples of how we can create that sort of industry? Especially given that the UK couldn't stop the Far East taking it all.

 

Tourism - give me examples. How are we, as an economy, going to create wealth and employment from additional tourism? Where is it coming from?

 

I would say we are doing about as well as Tourism as we can.

My message was. e- gaming ( as you have suggested ), and I did say not to my favor . Do read things properly. You talk utter tripe at times , I suggested the other options as options for our Government and Island to encourage, not something I could achive on my own. I thought Governments were there for that purpose. You on the other hand must have ideas, and plainly think you can achieve anything. Why not a try at MHK, TO TOUGH, NOT ENOUGH MONEY, TO MANY CHANCES TO BE PROVED WRONG.

 

Really, what are you going on about?

 

I am not asking for you to diversify the IOM economy. YOU are the one saying "we need to diversify away from finance related sectors". Great, give us all some examples of how you see this happening?

 

The answer is not "Government" or "Government need to encourage Tourism". The answer is for you to come up with an economic driver (like eGaming has been) that will create real employment (with meaningful tax and NI takes), grow the economy and add to the diversity we seek.

 

You mentioned Manufacturing/Industry - great, tell us how that is going to happen. The IOM Government gives them a start - 0% Tax. Explain to me how you would increase Manufacturing/Industry on the Isle of Man.

 

The government have sought to diversify things. Whether that be eGaming, Film Industry, Development Fund etc. You can hardly say the IOM doesn't seek to encourage business here.

But you seem to have all the answers, so let's here them. I want your expertise on how we are going to do what you think should happen.

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What industry and business. Give me examples of how the island can move away from its reliance on the finance sector.

E- gaming ( your comment ) not to my liking, but there you are. As to other Diversity, according to Government ; Industry / manufacturing, Tourism ( ie Culture / History/ Walking) .there are bound to be others. My argument against the FS has always been the ' All our eggs in one basket ) scenario.

So you are advocating diversity into eGaming? It's already now our biggest sector so the IOM has done that.

 

Aside of that you have not given me any examples of how the island can diversify. You mention Industry and Manufacturing - give me examples of how we can create that sort of industry? Especially given that the UK couldn't stop the Far East taking it all.

 

Tourism - give me examples. How are we, as an economy, going to create wealth and employment from additional tourism? Where is it coming from?

 

I would say we are doing about as well as Tourism as we can.

My message was. e- gaming ( as you have suggested ), and I did say not to my favor . Do read things properly. You talk utter tripe at times , I suggested the other options as options for our Government and Island to encourage, not something I could achive on my own. I thought Governments were there for that purpose. You on the other hand must have ideas, and plainly think you can achieve anything. Why not a try at MHK, TO TOUGH, NOT ENOUGH MONEY, TO MANY CHANCES TO BE PROVED WRONG.

 

Really, what are you going on about?

 

I am not asking for you to diversify the IOM economy. YOU are the one saying "we need to diversify away from finance related sectors". Great, give us all some examples of how you see this happening?

 

The answer is not "Government" or "Government need to encourage Tourism". The answer is for you to come up with an economic driver (like eGaming has been) that will create real employment (with meaningful tax and NI takes), grow the economy and add to the diversity we seek.

 

You mentioned Manufacturing/Industry - great, tell us how that is going to happen. The IOM Government gives them a start - 0% Tax. Explain to me how you would increase Manufacturing/Industry on the Isle of Man.

 

The government have sought to diversify things. Whether that be eGaming, Film Industry, Development Fund etc. You can hardly say the IOM doesn't seek to encourage business here.

But you seem to have all the answers, so let's here them. I want your expertise on how we are going to do what you think should happen.

 

looks like its PUT UP OR FUCKING SHUT UP.

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All you see is the finance sector Nottysnot, there's already a load of other stuff going on here, you know? Metal working/engineering, cabinet making, stone working, farming and associated employments, we have a diverse range of highly skilled people here. The finance sector is full of self important, unskilled, uneducated monkey's.

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..................maybe someone could open the island up as a test bed/developer for electric autos? Alongside this could be solar panel farms, (on the side of the mountain?). Or maybe wave or tidal electric generation testing or development?

Manufacturing is not so good because of transport but development and testing of all sorts of items might be an idea.

 

Do y'all reckon these ideas or similar are viable?

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Manufacturing does work if the end product is not too large and/or EXTREMELY high tech and expensive. Something that is so specialised and unique that it overcomes the combined attempts of the MUA and the Steam Packet to price it out of success. There are such enterprises here but it's never going to be more than niche.

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If you want an idea of why tourism is a non-starter, certainly under the current regime, take a look in the "Letters" page of last weekend's Independent.

 

A (presumably, weirdy, beardy) walker man came to IoM recently on a walking holiday, lured by DED's promises of "the walker's paradise". Only to find (according to him) that most of the footpaths and rights-of-way he encountered were un-navigable due to being overgrown with vegetation. His letter ran to three columns in the paper because he listed them all, including lengths of the old railway lines and parts of the Coastal Footpath.

 

I'm not a particular fan of countryside walking but I can understand that it's got a lot of potential to be tapped. Look at the Lake District. Where the hell is our "joined-up" Government? What the feck is the point of the DED pushing to bring walking tourists here only to find that because DOI hasn't bothered to maintain the attraction, they're faced with something like a bad day in Darkest Burma? We all know why the DOI have given up on rights of way maintenance. They'd rather burn millions having legions of design wallahs producing unworkable plans for Douglas Prom than have a few bottom feeder labourers wandering up the tracks with shears and hedgecutters.

 

Apart from the shittogram to the local paper how many of his mates and walkers clubs back home has he gone back and relayed the story to? A happy customer tells two or three. A pissed off customer tells ten.

 

We are shooting ourselves in the foot by simply neglecting the basics. I sincerely hope Skelly read the letter and picked up the phone to Gawne but I wouldn't bet on it. Inter-Departmental communication clearly doesn't exist in Silo-land.

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All you see is the finance sector Nottysnot, there's already a load of other stuff going on here, you know? Metal working/engineering, cabinet making, stone working, farming and associated employments, we have a diverse range of highly skilled people here. The finance sector is full of self important, unskilled, uneducated monkey's.

 

You find those people in all walks of life. Anyone would think you didn't fall into some of those categories the way you talk.

 

The debate here is that twonk manxie44 keeps harping on about diversification. Great give us some tangible examples.

 

Stone working (which very few people do well by the way) isn't going to drive our economy.

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If you want an idea of why tourism is a non-starter, certainly under the current regime, take a look in the "Letters" page of last weekend's Independent.

 

A (presumably, weirdy, beardy) walker man came to IoM recently on a walking holiday, lured by DED's promises of "the walker's paradise". Only to find (according to him) that most of the footpaths and rights-of-way he encountered were un-navigable due to being overgrown with vegetation. His letter ran to three columns in the paper because he listed them all, including lengths of the old railway lines and parts of the Coastal Footpath.

 

I'm not a particular fan of countryside walking but I can understand that it's got a lot of potential to be tapped. Look at the Lake District. Where the hell is our "joined-up" Government? What the feck is the point of the DED pushing to bring walking tourists here only to find that because DOI hasn't bothered to maintain the attraction, they're faced with something like a bad day in Darkest Burma? We all know why the DOI have given up on rights of way maintenance. They'd rather burn millions having legions of design wallahs producing unworkable plans for Douglas Prom than have a few bottom feeder labourers wandering up the tracks with shears and hedgecutters.

 

Apart from the shittogram to the local paper how many of his mates and walkers clubs back home has he gone back and relayed the story to? A happy customer tells two or three. A pissed off customer tells ten.

 

We are shooting ourselves in the foot by simply neglecting the basics. I sincerely hope Skelly read the letter and picked up the phone to Gawne but I wouldn't bet on it. Inter-Departmental communication clearly doesn't exist in Silo-land.

 

What gives you the right to call people that ? I'd imagine whoever does that work for the DOI are hard working decent folk that work bloody hard for their pay.

No need at all for your bile.

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We could grow and export premium food - oh hang on, Gov't seem to have strangled that one

Write software - not strangled maybe but they've put a good brake on it

Generate cheap energy - oh hang on, Gov't have really screwed that one

Provide digital services - oops, needs cheap energy

 

Fishing? Smuggling?

 

The economy here is really quite diversified, I don't agree with Philip that everything depends on FS, but between Gov't and the Racket and Globalisation the options for further profitable diversification do seem rather limited.

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If you want an idea of why tourism is a non-starter, certainly under the current regime, take a look in the "Letters" page of last weekend's Independent.

 

A (presumably, weirdy, beardy) walker man came to IoM recently on a walking holiday, lured by DED's promises of "the walker's paradise". Only to find (according to him) that most of the footpaths and rights-of-way he encountered were un-navigable due to being overgrown with vegetation. His letter ran to three columns in the paper because he listed them all, including lengths of the old railway lines and parts of the Coastal Footpath.

 

I'm not a particular fan of countryside walking but I can understand that it's got a lot of potential to be tapped. Look at the Lake District. Where the hell is our "joined-up" Government? What the feck is the point of the DED pushing to bring walking tourists here only to find that because DOI hasn't bothered to maintain the attraction, they're faced with something like a bad day in Darkest Burma? We all know why the DOI have given up on rights of way maintenance. They'd rather burn millions having legions of design wallahs producing unworkable plans for Douglas Prom than have a few bottom feeder labourers wandering up the tracks with shears and hedgecutters.

 

Apart from the shittogram to the local paper how many of his mates and walkers clubs back home has he gone back and relayed the story to? A happy customer tells two or three. A pissed off customer tells ten.

 

We are shooting ourselves in the foot by simply neglecting the basics. I sincerely hope Skelly read the letter and picked up the phone to Gawne but I wouldn't bet on it. Inter-Departmental communication clearly doesn't exist in Silo-land.

What gives you the right to call people that ? I'd imagine whoever does that work for the DOI are hard working decent folk that work bloody hard for their pay.

No need at all for your bile.

It's not in the least intended as derogatory. I'm sure they did all work hard for their pay - til DOI laid them all off. There is a disconnect in the priorities of Govt on this Island.

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If you want an idea of why tourism is a non-starter, certainly under the current regime, take a look in the "Letters" page of last weekend's Independent.

 

A (presumably, weirdy, beardy) walker man came to IoM recently on a walking holiday, lured by DED's promises of "the walker's paradise". Only to find (according to him) that most of the footpaths and rights-of-way he encountered were un-navigable due to being overgrown with vegetation. His letter ran to three columns in the paper because he listed them all, including lengths of the old railway lines and parts of the Coastal Footpath.

 

I'm not a particular fan of countryside walking but I can understand that it's got a lot of potential to be tapped. Look at the Lake District. Where the hell is our "joined-up" Government? What the feck is the point of the DED pushing to bring walking tourists here only to find that because DOI hasn't bothered to maintain the attraction, they're faced with something like a bad day in Darkest Burma? We all know why the DOI have given up on rights of way maintenance. They'd rather burn millions having legions of design wallahs producing unworkable plans for Douglas Prom than have a few bottom feeder labourers wandering up the tracks with shears and hedgecutters.

 

Apart from the shittogram to the local paper how many of his mates and walkers clubs back home has he gone back and relayed the story to? A happy customer tells two or three. A pissed off customer tells ten.

 

We are shooting ourselves in the foot by simply neglecting the basics. I sincerely hope Skelly read the letter and picked up the phone to Gawne but I wouldn't bet on it. Inter-Departmental communication clearly doesn't exist in Silo-land.

 

What gives you the right to call people that ? I'd imagine whoever does that work for the DOI are hard working decent folk that work bloody hard for their pay.

No need at all for your bile.

 

 

I do wonder why landowners are not required to maintain the footpaths given that some seem to be given handouts for no good reason IMO

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between Gov't and the Racket and Globalisation the options for further profitable diversification do seem rather limited.

You used to be quite positive. Did you get a knock back?

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between Gov't and the Racket and Globalisation the options for further profitable diversification do seem rather limited.

You used to be quite positive. Did you get a knock back?

 

 

Just worn down by the steadfast progress in the wrong direction.

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between Gov't and the Racket and Globalisation the options for further profitable diversification do seem rather limited.

 

You used to be quite positive. Did you get a knock back?

Just worn down by the steadfast progress in the wrong direction.

The big boys wouldn't let you play with them would they? Now you're all bitter and angry about it.

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