the stinking enigma Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 it's not the internets i'ts humans. the internet just allows us a glimpse we would not see otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeliX Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Pseudonyms don't stop this happening, sadly. Most people (myself included) don't have the self-discipline to entirely isolate an online persona from their real life. it's hard work maintaining a complete anonymous identity on here I can tell you, luckily I've always managed it It's a very common look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) stu had to apologise in the end or alex brindley would have put both their balls in a vice. for that reason alone, i wouldn't have apologised Edited August 17, 2016 by the stinking enigma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 This has all been about offence. The kids behaviour offended the manager (and maybe other diners), his comments offended the mother, her post offended Stu, Stu's thoughtless comments offended some parents because he included (probably inadvertently) Autistic kids in his ire for badly behaved kids, the offence that he caused was amplified because there are people who get offended by autistic kids in restaurants and people are sensitive to, Stu and his supporters got offended that his free speech was being impacted. We need to all recognise that sometimes people make mistakes, and everything won't be perfect. So it doesn't really matter if kids mess about while we're having a meal, if we aren't happy with a restaurant don't go back. We should think about what we say and be sensitive to others feelings, and it's right to point out when someone's comments are insensitive. But equally, recognise that the comments might have been an error or weren't intended that way. And be aware that we might make a mistake, and just because we didn't intend the comments to be hurtful doesn't mean they weren't. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhumsaa Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 stu had to apologise in the end or alex brindley would have put both their balls in a vice. for that reason alone, i wouldn't have apologised They'd have to make a custom vice if you ever win a charity auction to go on a date with Alex Brindley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stinking enigma Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 the mere thought has me squeezing them right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 I am as entitled to free speech under what law or are you above it? scum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulgarian Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 This has all been about offence. The kids behaviour offended the manager (and maybe other diners), his comments offended the mother, her post offended Stu, Stu's thoughtless comments offended some parents because he included (probably inadvertently) Autistic kids in his ire for badly behaved kids, the offence that he caused was amplified because there are people who get offended by autistic kids in restaurants and people are sensitive to, Stu and his supporters got offended that his free speech was being impacted. We need to all recognise that sometimes people make mistakes, and everything won't be perfect. So it doesn't really matter if kids mess about while we're having a meal, if we aren't happy with a restaurant don't go back. We should think about what we say and be sensitive to others feelings, and it's right to point out when someone's comments are insensitive. But equally, recognise that the comments might have been an error or weren't intended that way. And be aware that we might make a mistake, and just because we didn't intend the comments to be hurtful doesn't mean they weren't. People are allowed opinions, and sometimes those opinions are going to offend others. You shouldn't have to apologise for having them or expressing them. People need to recognise that not everyone has to agree with you or be nice to you. What exactly should Stu be apologising for? For saying that you shouldn't allow your offspring to disrupt other people's enjoyment of something they've paid for? Whether they are disabled or not there is no discrimination involved. It's not the child's disability that is being discriminated for, but their disruptive behaviour. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tattysmcgee Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Me and the wife went out not long ago. It wasn't the table to our left with the children that were disruptive, they were good as gold, it was the table to the right with the adults that were effing and jeffing at full volume. The more they drank the louder they got. I'd rather a table full of kids over that any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 11 pages of waffle. Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one. The End! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 This has all been about offence. The kids behaviour offended the manager (and maybe other diners), his comments offended the mother, her post offended Stu, Stu's thoughtless comments offended some parents because he included (probably inadvertently) Autistic kids in his ire for badly behaved kids, the offence that he caused was amplified because there are people who get offended by autistic kids in restaurants and people are sensitive to, Stu and his supporters got offended that his free speech was being impacted. We need to all recognise that sometimes people make mistakes, and everything won't be perfect. So it doesn't really matter if kids mess about while we're having a meal, if we aren't happy with a restaurant don't go back. We should think about what we say and be sensitive to others feelings, and it's right to point out when someone's comments are insensitive. But equally, recognise that the comments might have been an error or weren't intended that way. And be aware that we might make a mistake, and just because we didn't intend the comments to be hurtful doesn't mean they weren't. People are allowed opinions, and sometimes those opinions are going to offend others. You shouldn't have to apologise for having them or expressing them. People need to recognise that not everyone has to agree with you or be nice to you. What exactly should Stu be apologising for? For saying that you shouldn't allow your offspring to disrupt other people's enjoyment of something they've paid for? Whether they are disabled or not there is no discrimination involved. It's not the child's disability that is being discriminated for, but their disruptive behaviour. If you set out to offend someone, and deliberately choose words that are intended to upset then any apology is hollow and you should stand by the words and face the consequences. However, if you say something, and express yourself badly and inadvertently hurt someone, why wouldn't you apologise? If you bump into someone by mistake you say sorry. So Stu says, he didn't mean autistic kids, he didn't mean to upset their parents, but he has, why then wouldn't he apologise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhumsaa Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 11 pages of waffle. Opinions are like arseholes, everybody's got one. The End! The forum would be a lot quieter though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mission Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 Yeah, you are right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manxie44 Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 It gives me no pleasure whatsoever to leave this site for good. There have been times I enjoyed some of the banter with those that manage to converse without foul language and abuse. However there appear to be more and more of the opposite ilk, and this recent discussion has brought them to the fore. I accept Stus apology , and hope he has learned from this. So sad that there are ( probably only a small number ) contributors whose sole reason for being on here is to abuse others. Incidentally this time I really do mean goodbye , I have returned a couple of times in the past, in the hope that a bit more decency and sensible discussion may have appeared. Sadly I was wrong. Goodbye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quilp Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 As you leave, don't forget to switch off the enlightenment... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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