"Bless" this House

[the stinking enigma]

they have their south african offshoot already. after watching mr sausages vid can't relly see them cracking america in a big way - too much competition but is no problem, pokerstars aren't allowed there either. one day i hope this group and this individual can become wealthy enough to fully legitimise themselves by having a giant house/chapel built for them by as reputable and upstanding a company as richmond square

[NoTail]

We are onto something here, just be positive.

 

Start with the UK, fill the steamy and the planes with followers to praise the great prophet.

 

This could be the answer.

[Albert Tatlock]

The great profit.

[MrJoshua]

Reminds me a little of this...

[Tarne]

I'm concerned by how many people support this strange non charity . Though well, if they are getting away with it, it has given me an idea to set up a charity and just see how much cash I can get from loonies. Maybe it'll be "left palettes for the kids" or "dehydrogen monoxide awareness" or save the rare manx cats that are often kept clinging to a rock surrounded by alcoholics.

Edited October 14, 2016 by Tarne

[the stinking enigma]

sometimes i could swear you are tatlock

[Albert Tatlock]

No I'm not.

[Moghrey Mie]

 

 

Tarne....maybe suggest Louis Theroux come pays them a visit. I bet The lord god Jonathon would cack his Calvin Klein briefs (another gift no doubt).

It does beg the question as to whether any of the other of this "church" money ends up in his and his lieutenants pockets?? Messrs Staples and Nelson never seem far away...like jolly henchmen.

I do seriously think this needs to be all fully investigated by the FIU and charities commission. It stinks like a bad crap after curry night.

We haven't got a Charities Commission on the island. All that is required is for charities to lodge their annual accounts with the Registry.

That is not quite true. An organisation wishing to be registered as a charity, which it must do if it wants to call itself a charity, must satisfy certain criteria with the General Registry, which falls under the AG's office IIRC. Thereafter, it must file annual accounts which are scrutinised by the GR and must notify certain changes in officers etc. Account are also subject to audit if the charity is above a certain threshold.

 

So we haven't got a Charities Commission on the island.

[j2bad]

I'm not a fan of religion but everyone I know who is involved with this church is happy there is nothing wrong with that, at all.

 

My friends give me things, I give them things back, this is no different it's just a bit more but maybe he gives them more happiness than I give my friends. IDK.

 

 

ETA - I'm about to take a cake round to my friend, perhaps this is where I am going wrong, my cakes of late have been a bit shit Lemon & coconut with a hint of cardamon (Rock bun)

You obviously know an awful lot of idiots, this lot are the absolute worst of humanity but hey Manx radio were all respectful to your grandad so they are a ok.

[j2bad]

they have their south african offshoot already. after watching mr sausages vid can't relly see them cracking america in a big way - too much competition but is no problem, pokerstars aren't allowed there either. one day i hope this group and this individual can become wealthy enough to fully legitimise themselves by having a giant house/chapel built for them by as reputable and upstanding a company as richmond square

 

They do not have a south african offshoot, they have sought the help of another shady organisation to try and sell themselves as some sort of international movement, no doubt the many trips to South Africa have told Mr Stanfield he had a proper shit house by their standards.

[Gladys]

 

 

 

Tarne....maybe suggest Louis Theroux come pays them a visit. I bet The lord god Jonathon would cack his Calvin Klein briefs (another gift no doubt).

It does beg the question as to whether any of the other of this "church" money ends up in his and his lieutenants pockets?? Messrs Staples and Nelson never seem far away...like jolly henchmen.

I do seriously think this needs to be all fully investigated by the FIU and charities commission. It stinks like a bad crap after curry night.

We haven't got a Charities Commission on the island. All that is required is for charities to lodge their annual accounts with the Registry.

That is not quite true. An organisation wishing to be registered as a charity, which it must do if it wants to call itself a charity, must satisfy certain criteria with the General Registry, which falls under the AG's office IIRC. Thereafter, it must file annual accounts which are scrutinised by the GR and must notify certain changes in officers etc. Account are also subject to audit if the charity is above a certain threshold.

So we haven't got a Charities Commission on the island.

Not as such, the oversight is by the AG via the GR. But there is oversight and the GR do scrutinise the accounts filed and raise queries. Whether they are as rigorous as the UK Charities Commission I don't know, but it isn't as perfunctory as filing accounts and that's it.

[quilp]

So a charity can set up bank accounts, receive anonymous or named donations, tax-free, no questions asked?

[llap]

So a charity can set up bank accounts, receive anonymous or named donations, tax-free, no questions asked?

 

Not if they use a reputable bank. You have to carry out not just AML but regulatory due diligence on transactions above a certain amount. There is no way a payment of a large size could be sent or received "anonymously" with any reputable bank involved. You would have to establish the source of the funds, or the source of wealth depending on the amount. It could be that below £100,000 requires less info than above £100,00, but it would never be anonymous. Banks have to establish where money comes from or they are breaching financial regulations.

[quilp]

 

So a charity can set up bank accounts, receive anonymous or named donations, tax-free, no questions asked?

Not if they use a reputable bank. You have to carry out not just AML but regulatory due diligence on transactions above a certain amount. There is no way a payment of a large size could be sent or received "anonymously" with any reputable bank involved. You would have to establish the source of the funds, or the source of wealth depending on the amount. It could be that below £100,000 requires less info than above £100,00, but it would never be anonymous. Banks have to establish where money comes from or they are breaching financial regulations.

Hm-m, thanks. It's a relief to know that with all the rules and security now in place, our banks and bankers are beyond reproach ...

[JackCarter]

 

So a charity can set up bank accounts, receive anonymous or named donations, tax-free, no questions asked?

 

Not if they use a reputable bank. You have to carry out not just AML but regulatory due diligence on transactions above a certain amount. There is no way a payment of a large size could be sent or received "anonymously" with any reputable bank involved. You would have to establish the source of the funds, or the source of wealth depending on the amount. It could be that below £100,000 requires less info than above £100,00, but it would never be anonymous. Banks have to establish where money comes from or they are breaching financial regulations.

But that is the very question people are asking in this instance. Everyone knows how obsessed the banks are here in terms of AML as they are required by law to do a lot of checks on source of funds and the source of the wealth that created those funds. A few years a go I sold a car for cash and it was a nightmare trying to pay a few grand in cash over the counter at Barclays. Yet this person seems to have been able to receive nearly £70k in cash in brown envelopes anonymously from his congregation and to be able to pay it into his personal bank account with apparently not having a clue where any of it came from. This shouldn't be able to happen here anymore if the FSA is to be believed. Who is saying that the next person to rock up to a bank with £70k of cash from selling heroin isn't also able to get away with saying they were mystery donations from people at my church?

 

I've spoke to a few people who do this sort of stuff daily and it honestly does not seem to stack up to anyone who is used to dealing with banking and AML in the IOM. How you can just get £70k of anonymous cash straight into your bank account without getting a visit from the plod?

Edited October 15, 2016 by JackCarter