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Children's Social Services - Will we ever get it right?

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I'll make a suggestion:

 

There are defined legal procedures for taking a child into care. Bypassing those precedures* may be considered an 'illegal action'.

 

I'm not sure these things matter on the Isle of Man though. Particularly government agencies, would appear to own the law and have their own idiosyncratic ways of using it.

 

 

*(and perhaps even trying to cover up at a later date)

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I wonder if the media will make inquiries now there have been internet-based rumours of the sudden departure of an under investigation social worker and the apparent unplanned absence of a senior manager? The Villa Marina debacle gained great media exposure largely due to posts on a Facebook page, so this is no different. All it needs is for a journalist to pick up the phone and ask the question and yet, it won't happen because some areas of public life enjoy such incredible levels of protection the media dare not inquire into or report on anything they are not instructed to.

"Internet based rumours" - if they are true you should be able to name the person involved. Remember you can't be sued if its true. Obviously if its just malicious gossip then no journalist is going to touch it. Why don't you make an FOI request? How many social workers are under investigation? What types of investigation are they? How many have been suspended? etc etc. I see no reason why that shouldn't be answered.

 

Obviously if its a disciplinary investigation then the results would be confidential between employer and employee. If its professional negligence however then that should be made public by the professional body.

 

You don't need a journo to do your legwork for you.

 

On the topic however, parenting is difficult for all parents. At some stage during the relationship, things will become strained in every family. Acting as the "corporate parent" is much more difficult and I doff my cap to the brave men and women who do this often unseen work, usually with great but also unseen success.

 

Mrs Baps has done this kind of work and she is always proud to meet a now adult ex-customer who thanks her for her help and apologises for their past behaviour. There will always be unhappy customers but don't let them detract from the largely positive work done. Instead lets ensure that proper safeguards are in place to protect the customers that are occasionally failed.

 

How many did she work with - and how many of those see her work as helpful?

 

I hope Mrs Baps is one of the few who actually did try to help their customers,

I am sure if she was, as you say, the exception she would be prepared to give evidence to the ongoing enquiry and act as a whistle-blower.

If she was, in any way, inside the system, she will have seen first hand abuses and illegal actions taking place.

That is no doubt why, after trying to stand up against those responsible, she felt she had no option but to resign her post and fight for what is right by reporting what was going on to politicians and the media etc.

 

Oops sorry - found myself in your fantasy world for a minute there!

Then I realised Mrs Baps did none of the above.

 

I realise that you live in a parallel universe of conspiracies, fantasies and all that, but please give us an example of "illegal actions"

 

Ahh Boo Gay'n, how I have missed you.

You are probably right as you always are.

All those who question the government or its agents live in a homophobic little world of our own where the oppressed minorities such as social workers, the police, and LGBT people are all out to get us.

Obviously in your real world no wrong can be done by these people - even if all evidence proves otherwise.

 

You really are a pillock.

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Then I realised Mrs Baps did none of the above.

 

I realise that you live in a parallel universe of conspiracies, fantasies and all that, but please give us an example of "illegal actions"

 

Ahh Boo Gay'n, how I have missed you.

You are probably right as you always are.

All those who question the government or its agents live in a homophobic little world of our own where the oppressed minorities such as social workers, the police, and LGBT people are all out to get us.

Obviously in your real world no wrong can be done by these people - even if all evidence proves otherwise.

 

You really are a pillock.

 

Try answering the question

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Then I realised Mrs Baps did none of the above.

 

I realise that you live in a parallel universe of conspiracies, fantasies and all that, but please give us an example of "illegal actions"

 

Ahh Boo Gay'n, how I have missed you.

You are probably right as you always are.

All those who question the government or its agents live in a homophobic little world of our own where the oppressed minorities such as social workers, the police, and LGBT people are all out to get us.

Obviously in your real world no wrong can be done by these people - even if all evidence proves otherwise.

 

You really are a pillock.

 

Try answering the question

 

Read this forum and

One of our tape recorders is missing

and

DHSC Files Tampering.

 

Question answered.

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STT #278

Read this forum and

One of our tape recorders is missing

and

DHSC Files Tampering.

 

Question answered.

 

The forum is full of your made up nonsense - no evidence of illegality.

 

The tape recorder may have nicked, which may have been a criminal act - but not by social services.

 

DHSC files tampering - well we have your leaked guff, and assume that an investigation is happening from which there is no report yet, so you are a wee bit ahead of yourself.

 

So - question answered as you see it, but not what a sane person would see.

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I am surprised you know a sane person.

Surely you are not counting your social work friends are you?

Not much of a debater, are you?

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I am surprised you know a sane person.

Surely you are not counting your social work friends are you?

Not much of a debater, are you?

I find it difficult to debate when the other person has nothing new to contribute and lives in a world of denial of the obvious and any views opposed to theirs are only expressed to play on their inferiority complexes.

When you have something to contribute to a debate, we can debate.

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The house of cards my be starting to fall.

 

Rumour is -

Following the first round of meetings with the 10 families

Social worker JF also me with the investigators regarding one complaint against her.

Two days later she left her job.

 

Debra Brayshaw, (the boss) has also, apparently, been 'missing in action' for over a week

 

The investigation is still ongoing, with the investigators due to have more meetings with those affected in January.

 

Whilst resigning from their jobs when abuses have been proven may have, in previous cases, left social workers free to continue their abusive behaviour in other jurisdictions I have been told that, due to the abuses committed and evidenced here, the investigators are fully prepared to pursue these cases to a full conclusion.

This will include licences being revoked and criminal proceedings.

 

I hope the families involved, and others who are not involved in this initial investigation can draw some strength from the knowledge that, at last, social services are being held accountable for their abusive, dishonest and controlling actions.

Have you any update on this situation?

It has been suggested to me by certain members of Tynwald that the idea of complaints being taken seriously and actually investigated, rather then being laughed at and filed in the bin, has made the offices of social services akin to a sinking ship, with the rats running for the doors.

Obviously, the status of the inquiry into the serious data breach committed when a recording device was 'mislaid' is being covered up, because that's being investigated by their pals and ignored under instruction by the controlled media, but they don't seem to know how to handle being investigated by someone who looks at facts and tries to determine the truth, rather than looking for another tin of whitewash.

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I heard that a social worker left after being diagnosed with a serious medical condition but no "rats running for the door". Perhaps Cens, if you named names we would have a bit more confidence. Which Tynwald member is leaking this information? Are they breaching confidence or even the law by doing so? If an investigation is ongoing then surely it should be allowed to take its course rather than being set up for some sort of trial by forum.

 

As far as speak the truth goes, this person sounds like they're repeating the hysterical rantings of that Marcia clown. Someone really needs to by that idiot a one way ticket to wherever it was she crawled from. Bloody americans - if there's one race worse than then English its the merkins.

 

FYI STT when Mrs Baps was approached by an ex-customer who assaulted her while in care causing broken ribs, and he apologises and offers to buy us both a drink (which we declined politely) then I measure that as a success for the system. Parenting is a long term game normally done by real parents and as I said in my earlier post, that itself is not an easy job. Its even more difficult for the corporate parent and while I'm not suggesting its all perfect, people like you suggesting its all corrupt are continually undermining the good work which is being done and remains largely unseen.

 

Don't judge a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes. If its that easy perhaps you should do it.

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I am surprised you know a sane person.

Surely you are not counting your social work friends are you?

Not much of a debater, are you?

I find it difficult to debate when the other person has nothing new to contribute and lives in a world of denial of the obvious and any views opposed to theirs are only expressed to play on their inferiority complexes.

When you have something to contribute to a debate, we can debate.

 

But you, 3S/Prison Works and its hangers on live in a world of denial where convicted criminals are victims, social workers are abusers and the children don't matter. That is a weird sort of denial IMHO. My contribution is that you are a very dangerous and probably deluded person.

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The house of cards my be starting to fall.

 

Rumour is -

Following the first round of meetings with the 10 families

Social worker JF also me with the investigators regarding one complaint against her.

Two days later she left her job.

 

Debra Brayshaw, (the boss) has also, apparently, been 'missing in action' for over a week

 

The investigation is still ongoing, with the investigators due to have more meetings with those affected in January.

 

Whilst resigning from their jobs when abuses have been proven may have, in previous cases, left social workers free to continue their abusive behaviour in other jurisdictions I have been told that, due to the abuses committed and evidenced here, the investigators are fully prepared to pursue these cases to a full conclusion.

This will include licences being revoked and criminal proceedings.

 

I hope the families involved, and others who are not involved in this initial investigation can draw some strength from the knowledge that, at last, social services are being held accountable for their abusive, dishonest and controlling actions.

Have you any update on this situation?

It has been suggested to me by certain members of Tynwald that the idea of complaints being taken seriously and actually investigated, rather then being laughed at and filed in the bin, has made the offices of social services akin to a sinking ship, with the rats running for the doors.

Obviously, the status of the inquiry into the serious data breach committed when a recording device was 'mislaid' is being covered up, because that's being investigated by their pals and ignored under instruction by the controlled media, but they don't seem to know how to handle being investigated by someone who looks at facts and tries to determine the truth, rather than looking for another tin of whitewash.

 

The independent investigators are back on the Island next week.

They had initially only been funded for one visit but as the result of information received and evidence seen in December another visit was deemed necessary.

Initial findings are due to be given before the end of January and hopefully this will still be the case.

 

piebaps

I heard that a social worker left after being diagnosed with a serious medical condition but no "rats running for the door

 

Strange how the "medical condition" only appeared after she was interviewed by the investigation.

You are kidding no one.

Perhaps you should be more concerned with the probable extension of this investigation to investigate historical cases as well as those currently on going.

Don't book your cruise yet, you may not be able to afford it without Ms Bap's pension.

Note the Ms, not Mrs - you of all people should know that social workers do not allow themselves to be identified as property of a husband.

 

 

Boo Gay'n

Pillock.

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Not over here but.......

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/disgraced-social-worker-jailed-rewriting-12450813

 

Who would have thought it from a member of such a fine, honest profession?

Cases like this are a weekly occurrence across the water.

 

Luckily our social workers don't, for the most part, come from over there, have the same training, work here through an agency so they can do a runner before action is taken against them.

 

Oops sorry - for a minute there I became a social worker.

Luckily, unlike a social worker, my printed lies will not affect the lives of any children or families.

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Not over here but.......

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/disgraced-social-worker-jailed-rewriting-12450813

 

Who would have thought it from a member of such a fine, honest profession?

Cases like this are a weekly occurrence across the water.

 

Luckily our social workers don't, for the most part, come from over there, have the same training, work here through an agency so they can do a runner before action is taken against them.

 

Oops sorry - for a minute there I became a social worker.

Luckily, unlike a social worker, my printed lies will not affect the lives of any children or families.

Or, the local authority spotted how crap he was and demoted him. Should have sacked him, but he lost nearly half his salary, I wonder what he got demoted to? Then he tried to fake a reference, got caught and prosecuted. Sounds ok to me.

 

I know you have concerns, but this example doesn't help you really.

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At least it was made, or rather had to be made, public.

 

There have been one or two over here that have just slipped away. No reason given to parents who were subject to the acts of the disappeared or the department, just a new name suddenly appears, and, coincident with the discovery of what would be termed - to be charitable - wrongdoing.

 

Of course, the manx way of doing things can also be used, and that appears to be to promote someone out of they way. Give the case load to someone else. A new face and attempt to unilaterally declare a clean sheet where the lies and cock-ups can be erm, forgotten about.

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