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58 minutes ago, mollag said:

Having been involved in the Tourist industry for many years, I note the following.

We propose to use scarce resources on a deepwater berth for a market that is essentially the lowest level of Day tripping

The market, fully catered aboard ship.

Doesn't use the local Ferry service [Now Gov owned]

Doesn't use the local accommodation services

Doesn't use the local catering restaurants

Doesn't use the local bars etc

Will likely not use our retail outlets, as we know, they are expensive compared to other ports they will visit

We have regular calls from cruisers presently for no outlay,  so we want to spend millions to recoup thousands,  ?

We are, the lunatic Isle.

Worse than that if the figures are to be believed IOM fridge magnets now cost £44.48 each!

Scandalous....

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58 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Worse than that if the figures are to be believed IOM fridge magnets now cost £44.48 each!

Scandalous....

From Skelly's tat shop, no doubt?

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41 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

From Skelly's tat shop, no doubt?

And presumably priced according to the same figures he and DfE base their local economy growth, visitor numbers and spend on..?

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Would it not be possible to provide a cruise berth at Ramsey by upgrading Queen's Pier and providing a new berthing head.

Restore the tramway with a modern multiple unit railcar to shuttle people to the promenade.  

Just a thought as it would mean some serious cash could be put into the pier and it could once again fulfil its original purpose. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, ISS said:

Would it not be possible to provide a cruise berth at Ramsey by upgrading Queen's Pier and providing a new berthing head.

Restore the tramway with a modern multiple unit railcar to shuttle people to the promenade.  

Just a thought as it would mean some serious cash could be put into the pier and it could once again fulfil its original purpose. 

 

No. Too shallow at Ramsey.

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On 1/17/2017 at 1:33 PM, Bobbie Bobster said:

This. Kinda.

 

There may very well be spinoff benefits from building this sort off facility over and above visitor spend, but there's likely to be many better ways of spending the money with greater impact.

Like what ?

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On 1/17/2017 at 2:45 PM, rmanx said:

 

Will cost a lot more after Brexit mind

After Brexit ( if it ever happens ) how many of the finacial sector compaines will move off island ?, and we need to look at other options, and this option of a "cruise terminal" may well save our bacon. 

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On 1/17/2017 at 1:43 PM, mannin1 said:

Why would we ? we cant even run our hospital ffs

That could well be down to the expansion of our medical tourism / medical residents so to speak, they come here because they can get an hospital / dental appointment within a day  ?

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On 1/17/2017 at 11:22 PM, Manx Bean said:

For one, I suspect £50m was just plucked out of the air. Two, if Government fund this they really are stupid. Three, anyone who thinks cruise ships justify keeping the horse trams they are deluded and in need of a happy slap.

There seems little point in trying to attract cruise ships here if there is next to feck all for the poor souls to do when they land. More than once last summer I saw gangs of bedraggled, cagoule-clad passengers desperately trying to find something to do having walked Strand Street in the pissing rain. i even once witnessed a coach load of passengers being dropped outside Jurby Junk. I kid you not!!

 

As much as i love the isle of Man, it is what it is. It is not a dream cruise ship excursion destination.

Just out of interest, Has Jurby Junk now closed, or is it on its second / third / 4th/  closing down sale ?

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21 minutes ago, LightBulb said:

That could well be down to the expansion of our medical tourism / medical residents so to speak, they come here because they can get an hospital / dental appointment within a day  ?

No one can get a dentist appointment within a day on the NHS.

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4 minutes ago, LightBulb said:

After Brexit ( if it ever happens ) how many of the finacial sector compaines will move off island ?, and we need to look at other options, and this option of a "cruise terminal" may well save our bacon. 

No it won't.  You're in danger of falling for the Politician's Syllogism:

We must do something
This is something
Therefore, we must do this.

Unfortunately so are some of our politicians.  But anyone who knows anything about tourism knows that the cruise market is not one that produces much in the way of earnings (as @mollag pointed out) and nothing that justifies putting in much in way of capital investment.  Most places that do have a lot of cruise visitors (such as Venice or Barcelona) regard them as a curse.

Apart from the fairly small specialist market that we already get (and that MNH could probably deal with) all that is driving this call for cruise ships is a small number of well-paid civil servants at the DfE who desperately want to justify their jobs.

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21 minutes ago, LightBulb said:

Just out of interest, Has Jurby Junk now closed, or is it on its second / third / 4th/  closing down sale ?

Closed last September and the remaining stock was auctioned off in November.  There's no Chrystals catalogues online before this Feb, so I'm unable to tell you what fabulous sums Stella's merchandise ended up fetching.

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On 1/19/2017 at 1:15 PM, Tarne said:

That's more sensible at 25-30 years, though starting off at 60,000 cruise ship passengers is daft, as is the £7 m per annum to the Orkney Islands used as a bench mark, as it's only recently hit that. In 2014 it was only £3 million. Orkney looks good at the minute because it's grown substantially as a cruise ship destination in the past 5 years so bear that in mind - it can easily disappear in that short span of time too.

 

Thanks for posting however, cleared up a lot.

Would the draft of a cruise liner be enough to enable it to dock on the queens pier in Ramsey, when it is finnished ?

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5 minutes ago, LightBulb said:

Would the draft of a cruise liner be enough to enable it to dock on the queens pier in Ramsey, when it is finnished ?

A cruise liner would flatten the Queen's Pier with only a slight nudge.

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1 minute ago, Non-Believer said:

A cruise liner would flatten the Queen's Pier with only a slight nudge.

A draft of one wouldn't  

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