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On 1/19/2017 at 6:09 PM, Albert Tatlock said:

So what would they spend their money on here?

 

Hotels? No they brought one with them?

Nightlife? No, they'll have fooked off toward their next destination by then and tucking into...

...Food? No, they have an all in luxury food package on board.

Booze? Unlikely in the daytime.

 

So it's a £50m gamble on getting a few bus loads to MNH sites. Like what happens already with the 20 ships that visit here each year over 3 months, compared to a 10 month season in sunny Gibraltar that gets 20 a month visiting.

 

This stupid idea needs nipping in the bud now and firmly fooked off to La La Land where it belongs. It will take 50 years before it even breaks even, not counting the time value of money and what £50m invested would be worth by then.

Albert, You could have said that about our very sucessfull film industry, which has made ??

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1 minute ago, LightBulb said:

Albert, You could have said that about our very sucessfull film industry, which has made ??

Has made the Island a lot skinter after HMRC figured the scam and pulled the plug.

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On 1/19/2017 at 7:42 PM, Manx Bean said:

Fine, if you must do it - the private sector MUST fund it.

 

I find it hilarious and also irritating that almost everyone (no matter how tenuously) connected to Tourism seems to think the taxpayer and Government should be responsible for doing everything for them! If I were to be running a hairdressers or say florist, would I be expecting Government to support me financially, advertise my business, produce websites and brochures for me, have MHKs discussing me in the House of Keys?

 

No - they wouldn't give a flying shit about me.

 

Quite frankly, when the Health Minister needs to come to Tynwald with her begging bowl (lets's face it, having to sort out her predecessors clusterfuck) to beg for another £11.1m to keep the hospital afloat, I think we have more significant things to focus our very limited resources on..

That only because of the health tourism,  manx people don`t need it, they are very very healthy.

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On 1/19/2017 at 7:49 PM, Lxxx said:

So where does the estimated £50m cost come into it? FIFTY MILLION POUNDS.

VAT, reclaiming,  but just keep that under your belt, ( mums the word ) we don`t want another VAT scene with the UK government.

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1 hour ago, LightBulb said:

Like what ?

Which bit of this post of mine from January 2017 are you interested in, the possible second order spinoff benefits of a cruise berth or the many other more economically beneficial ways of spending the same amount of money?

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This is concerning. From Roger Mexico previously:

It's worth looking at the full answer they gave:

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Upon review the Department accepts that no public harm will result in providing this information and considers that it should be released. Therefore we are disclosing the following information relating to the value of a cruise passenger when visiting the Isle of Man.

The Deloitte report on development of an Isle of Man cruise ship deep water berth, submitted to the Department in July 2017, states “We have calculated an average of £44.48 as the average passenger gross spend in the economy per head”.

In terms of the methodology, the report states that “We have obtained the average passenger gross spends from a number of reports, including historic Isle of Man figures , other comparable islands and Rest of World (ROW) from 2012-2015, resulting in a calculated average gross spend of £44.48”.

So they paid Deloittes to basically come up with a vague guess - and are still trying to hide the way it was calculated. if it was based on anything at all."

The only reason I can think of as to why they went to Deloitte to tell them what's actually happening on their own doorstep is the usual IOMG justification to wit:

"Not my fault. I hired the best people (public) money could buy. I knew they were the best because they were the most expensive..."

Presumably the mothership keeps a record of the numbers going ashore so they don't leave anyone behind? So there's the footfall.

Then hire a gaggle of pretty girlies with clipboards to ask the returning passegers what they did, what they spent, what they would like etc etc and most importantly does using a shuttle make any difference?  Incidentally that's not sexist that's simply going with what's known to work.

At the very least those keen on this idea should be made to stand and watch the whole embarkation exercise so they can see for themselves just how little these people have purchased.

Then they might get some REAL data to make properly informed decisions.

Just to make a change....

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If in doubt. chuck taxpayers money at the problem

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When the hospital is in a parlous state because of underfunding, mismanagement , over managed under staffed, over the years and finds difficulty in attracting medics who even if they come seem disinclined to stay it seems scandalous to spend money on vanity projects.   Health, living accommodation, schools etc are lifelines that effect everyone and should be prioritised.   Or, just have a really crazy moment and pay off some debt such as the leccy bill.   Of course it is always easier to spend other people's money and with no accountability thrown in it is bullet proof.     No wonder people from all over the world have the impression that the Isle of Man and all that live here are minted.   I only wish.

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On 8/10/2019 at 2:32 PM, ISS said:

Would it not be possible to provide a cruise berth at Ramsey by upgrading Queen's Pier and providing a new berthing head.

Restore the tramway with a modern multiple unit railcar to shuttle people to the promenade.  

Just a thought as it would mean some serious cash could be put into the pier and it could once again fulfil its original purpose. 

 

 

 

Not deep enough. Only 7 m of draught at the end of it

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42 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Not deep enough. Only 7 m of draught at the end of it

how far off douglas do you have to go to get 7m ?

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49 minutes ago, WTF said:

how far off douglas do you have to go to get 7m ?

Just in front of the tower of refuge, you know, that place people walk to a low tide.

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3 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

Not deep enough. Only 7 m of draught at the end of it

Was that response a joke Derek..or do you seriously believe they will not need to dredge Douglas either way, mind you behind the wall the tower of refuge will save the passengers

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The latest proposals have been dreamt up by a firm of local architects, probably off their own back, without anyone commissioning them. Can't see it would have taken very long to draw those proposals up.

To my knowledge (and from their website)  they are a well established local firm, with no experience what-so-ever in berth/port design.

It's their own admission that the primary goal/driver of this design was to provide more parking space! (and whether that is necessary is debatable) 

I am quite surprised (as probably were the DoI) at these proposals, as there appears to have been no consideration or consultation with anyone having a marine background as they would have immediately pointed out that berths are supposed to provide shelter/calmer waters - this completely exposed berth doesn't in any way and as drawn is totally unviable.

All the proposal is doing is creating more noise about cruise when an expanded port including a deep water berth should be the focus, to ensure the Island has resilience for its lifeline services, and provide opportunities to explore multiple different revenue streams.

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3 minutes ago, b4mbi said:

To my knowledge (and from their website)  they are a well established local firm, with no experience what-so-ever in berth/port design.

The firm is well established although Mssrs Ellis and Brown no longer with us, others who would have been involved with the various projects over the years have left or retired.

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