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7 hours ago, dilligaf said:

Sadly you are correct. Was in Liverpool a few days ago and there was a huge cruise ship on the dock. I just thought to myself, what have we got to offer that would compare to Liverpool or Belfast ? The answer came back...………………….nothing. 

I love the place of my birth, but as wonderful as my island is, there is nothing here for cruise passengers. That is it...……..Nothing.

 We can not spend one single pound trying to attract people when we have nothing to offer.

Just a thought Dilli...if there’s nothing to offer the cruise passengers, why are the number of ship/passenger visits increasing? Presumably, if the visit is a failure because of a lack of things to see and do, the passengers would feed that back to the cruise company who would remove the Island from their itinerary for the future. (Unless of course that is happening and we’ll see the number of visits tail off as a consequence).

Also, I read recently that cruise visits to Orkney and Shetland are booming. What is the attraction of those places? Could we mirror that?

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7 hours ago, dilligaf said:

Sadly you are correct. Was in Liverpool a few days ago and there was a huge cruise ship on the dock. I just thought to myself, what have we got to offer that would compare to Liverpool or Belfast ? The answer came back...………………….nothing. 

I love the place of my birth, but as wonderful as my island is, there is nothing here for cruise passengers. That is it...……..Nothing.

 We can not spend one single pound trying to attract people when we have nothing to offer.

Have you got "nothing" between your ears?!  

I'm sorry i have to take issue with that, and that attitude.

 The island has loads to offer and what it has to offer is not better or worse than Liverpool or Belfast, just different!!

Medieval castles

Victorian transport network

Stunning glens and walks

Viking heritage

Coastal sports/beach's

Motorsport heritage

 

All in a relatively small area and achievable in a day trip, perfect for the cruise passenger. What does a cruise passenger want? To see different places, not just big cities!

How does Orkney get 100,000+ visitors p.a. with its tourist offering? Because it has the infrastructure.

We need better harbour infrastructure. 

 

 

 

 

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Is it that the number of ship visits are increasing because of Brits staying UK location for their hols? So they might be coming here doing the UK waters rounds anyway? Do the numbers of ship visits and actual passenger visits correlate in any way too?

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4 minutes ago, b4mbi said:

The island has loads to offer and what it has to offer is not better or worse than Liverpool or Belfast, just different!!

Medieval castles

Victorian transport network

Stunning glens and walks

Viking heritage

Coastal sports/beach's

Motorsport heritage

I love that people act like they truly believe the Island has a lot to offer. It's great that people are proud of where they live. But really the Island has little to offer that can't be found elsewhere.

Glens and walks? You can do them anywhere. Viking and motorsport heritage? Weak, there's a few stuffy old museums and plaques on the top of some random hills. 

The Victorian transport you can find in North Wales. 

 

Orkney already had a deepwater berth from servicing the oil and gas industry. Something that's worth millions to their economy. There's less than no chance that the investment in a new berth will wash its face financially... if you were talking about building a new berth that would be used 3 or 4 times a day by the ferry for 364 days of the year then fair enough. But this thing will be used maybe 10 times a year at best. It's bonkers. 

 

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9 hours ago, dilligaf said:

Sadly you are correct. Was in Liverpool a few days ago and there was a huge cruise ship on the dock. I just thought to myself, what have we got to offer that would compare to Liverpool or Belfast ? The answer came back...………………….nothing. 

I love the place of my birth, but as wonderful as my island is, there is nothing here for cruise passengers. That is it...……..Nothing.

 We can not spend one single pound trying to attract people when we have nothing to offer.

I think you will find that each visitor has his/her own idea of what they want. The Island has a lot to offer (and I'm not even Manx)

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1 hour ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

if you were talking about building a new berth that would be used 3 or 4 times a day by the ferry for 364 days of the year then fair enough. 

Almost this. A redesigned deep water port, providing strategic resilience for the Island's lifeline ferry services plus other commercial maritime opportunities, not just cruise.

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2 hours ago, Uhtred said:

Just a thought Dilli...if there’s nothing to offer the cruise passengers, why are the number of ship/passenger visits increasing? Presumably, if the visit is a failure because of a lack of things to see and do, the passengers would feed that back to the cruise company who would remove the Island from their itinerary for the future. (Unless of course that is happening and we’ll see the number of visits tail off as a consequence).

Also, I read recently that cruise visits to Orkney and Shetland are booming. What is the attraction of those places? Could we mirror that?

they don't charge for moorings.......

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2 hours ago, b4mbi said:

Have you got "nothing" between your ears?!  

I'm sorry i have to take issue with that, and that attitude.

 The island has loads to offer and what it has to offer is not better or worse than Liverpool or Belfast, just different!!

Medieval castles

Victorian transport network

Stunning glens and walks

Viking heritage

Coastal sports/beach's

Motorsport heritage

 

All in a relatively small area and achievable in a day trip, perfect for the cruise passenger. What does a cruise passenger want? To see different places, not just big cities!

How does Orkney get 100,000+ visitors p.a. with its tourist offering? Because it has the infrastructure.

We need better harbour infrastructure. 

 

 

 

 

We have lots to offer holiday makers but I still think very little for the flying visit a cruise bod would make

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2 hours ago, Uhtred said:

Also, I read recently that cruise visits to Orkney and Shetland are booming. What is the attraction of those places? Could we mirror that?

Pretty.

Not run down.

Nothing like just about every UK provincial town.

Frontage not marred by block after block of unsympathetic apartments.

No massive piles of masonry all over the place built by rich English to avoid death duties.

The absolutely unique Skara Brae.

Cute little ponies....

Edited by P.K.

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As "Mollag" previously posted - spending millions to recoup thousands is the economics of the madhouse unless we have something that people really, really want to come ashore and see and empty their pockets into ours (as opposed to the cruise operator's) for the privilege. 

Do we have that "something"?

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There are more cruise visitors because there are more cruise liners touring this area looking for places to offload their passengers for the day

We've plenty to offer - as listed above - as well as a fairly unique status as a micro-nation with lots of independent & dependent history to rad abouit if you like that sort of thing

Nobody should be allowed to waste £80m + of public money to help them come visit tho'

They're massively polluting surely?

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13 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

There are more cruise visitors because there are more cruise liners touring this area looking for places to offload their passengers for the day

We've plenty to offer - as listed above - as well as a fairly unique status as a micro-nation with lots of independent & dependent history to rad abouit if you like that sort of thing

Nobody should be allowed to waste £80m + of public money to help them come visit tho'

They're massively polluting surely?

see venice and the fact they spend very little money if anything......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49276730

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The island's government have no idea how to make the island more attractive, as evidenced by the constant rebranding of the department responsible for economic development who come up with white elephant after white elephant and costs the taxpayers more than they bring in. 

This whole cruise ship idea smacks of a typical response all politicians come up with, worldwide, when faced with a difficult dilemma. Do something. Anything. It's far better to waste money doing something than to save money while being seen to be doing nothing.

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3 minutes ago, Lxxx said:

The island's government have no idea how to make the island more attractive,

you don't think with the biggest boom ever in domestic tourism iomg's choice to put out on primetime tv a program about a prison will be a winner........

:whistling:

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