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56 minutes ago, John Wright said:

I wouldn't try to argue against any of that synopsis.

When the campaign kicked off the mendacious brexiteers unashamedly played the "economic" card first off hence the universally derided "£350 million to the NHS" complete and utter nonsense. Once it became apparent that they were losing that argument they then played the "racist" card and it worked. That's not to say that everyone who voted Leave was a racist. Lot's of folks in low paid unskilled jobs found their position being undermined by EU workers being prepared to do the same labour for less money. So of course they would want to protect what little they had. Not that a tory government has ever bothered about their welfare of course. They don't vote tory so fuck 'em a la Margaret Thatcher.

Now the government of the day has a duty of care to ALL of it's citizens. Strange (in the UK) but true. So a look at the various statements of the Brexteers during the complete and utter shambles that is the negotiations might just lend weight to the link made by JW quoted above:

"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside"
David Davis
10 October 2016
"The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want"
Michael Gove
9 April 2016
 "Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards"
John Redwood
July 17 2016
"The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history"
Liam Fox
20 July 2017
"How on earth do you resolve the issue of the border with Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland unless you know what our general borders policy is, what the customs agreement is, what our trade agreement is? It’s wholly illogical … That’ll be the row of the summer"
David Davis
14 May 2017
"Most of the EU states are very sympathetic to our view"
David Davis
15 May 2017
"We have to establish the ground rules. The first crisis or argument is is going to be over the question of sequencing"
David Davis
21 May 2017
"We're not really interested in a transition deal, but we'll consider one to be kind to the EU"
David Davis
15 November 2016
 "The idea that we’ll do a transitional arrangement where you’re still in, paying money, still with free movement of people – that we’ll do the long-term deal in slow motion … That is plainly not what we’re after"
David Davis
15 March 2016
"We made it clear that control of our own borders was one of the elements we wanted in the referendum, and unregulated free movement [during transition] would seem to me not to keep faith with that decision"
Liam Fox
30 July 2016
I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019"
David Davis
18 January 2017
"The point of the implementation period is to put in place the practical changes necessary to move to the future partnership, and for that you need to know what the future partnership is going to be"
Theresa May
23 October 2017
The period’s duration should be determined simply by how long it will take to prepare and implement the new processes and new systems that will underpin the future partnership"
Government transition paper
21 February 2018
The last time we went through line by line and challenged quite a lot of the legal basis of these things, and we'll continue to do that … [Of rumours of a £40bn bill:] They sort of made that up"
David Davis
25 September 2017
"Because we will no longer be members of the single market, we will not be required to pay huge sums into the EU budget"
Theresa May
17 January 2017
"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU … The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated"
David Davis
14 July 2016
 
And finally:
 
I am confident that using the most up-to-date technology, we can get a non-visible border operational along the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland"
David Davis
5 September 2017
 
Just to finish on:
Analyst: Brexit means FTSE 100 is desperately unloved

Today’s sell-off also means the FTSE 100 is actually below its level on 30th December 1999, the final day of the last millennium.

 

 
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6 hours ago, P.K. said:

No it isn't.

Why do you like Farage?

Really, is there any point me answering this P.K. ?  There's a lot I like about Farage; it's just Brexit I disagree with.

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9 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Really, is there any point me answering this P.K. ?  There's a lot I like about Farage; it's just Brexit I disagree with.

Isn't that like saying "I didn't agree with Hitler's views, but at least he was a vegitarian".

Farage is a blight on the British people.

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11 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Really, is there any point me answering this P.K. ?  There's a lot I like about Farage; it's just Brexit I disagree with.

I'm curious because I've only recently become aware of his MEP modus operandi.

As everyone is aware his attendance is 745th out of 746 on the MEP register with only the Irish MEP who has NEVER voted beneath him. It turns out that when he attends he completely ignores what is actually being debated and gets up on his hind legs to make a "contribution" that is strictly for "home" consumption. He then gets on the next Eurostar back to Blighty.

In other words he is a typical brexiteer in that he is a complete and utter shameless charlatan.

So how anyone can actually like him is beyond my comprehension. Thinking about it I'm probably better off keeping it that way....

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1 hour ago, P.K. said:

I'm curious because I've only recently become aware of his MEP modus operandi.

As everyone is aware his attendance is 745th out of 746 on the MEP register with only the Irish MEP who has NEVER voted beneath him. It turns out that when he attends he completely ignores what is actually being debated and gets up on his hind legs to make a "contribution" that is strictly for "home" consumption. He then gets on the next Eurostar back to Blighty.

In other words he is a typical brexiteer in that he is a complete and utter shameless charlatan.

So how anyone can actually like him is beyond my comprehension. Thinking about it I'm probably better off keeping it that way....

I must admit that it always puzzled me why anyone from UKIP was ever re-elected to the European Parliament.  Let me explain my thought process;

I can understand that the electorate (those that could be bothered to vote for an MEP anyway) wanted a representative who was euro-sceptical and would seek to defend the sovereignty of the UK and to uphold its interests.

Having seen that UKIP MEP's, and in particular Farage, fail to turn up to most votes or sittings of the Parliament why would they then reelect that candidate?  Surely they would be better represented by someone who actually attended the European Parliament and took an interest in what was going on.  

Could you imagine an MP/MHK who is elected but then can't be bothered going to Parliament/Tynwald apart from when they wanted to make a statement that was really nothing to do with the normal operations of Parliament.  Then would be criticised and vilified by the public, the press and colleagues and yet Farage and co. somehow have seemed immune!  

It is no wonder that the UK population feel that they were never represented in the EU Parliament when a number of the UK MEP's so fundamentally failed to do the job that they were elected to and paid for.

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19 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

I must admit that it always puzzled me why anyone from UKIP was ever re-elected to the European Parliament.  Let me explain my thought process;

I can understand that the electorate (those that could be bothered to vote for an MEP anyway) wanted a representative who was euro-sceptical and would seek to defend the sovereignty of the UK and to uphold its interests.

Having seen that UKIP MEP's, and in particular Farage, fail to turn up to most votes or sittings of the Parliament why would they then reelect that candidate?  Surely they would be better represented by someone who actually attended the European Parliament and took an interest in what was going on.  

Could you imagine an MP/MHK who is elected but then can't be bothered going to Parliament/Tynwald apart from when they wanted to make a statement that was really nothing to do with the normal operations of Parliament.  Then would be criticised and vilified by the public, the press and colleagues and yet Farage and co. somehow have seemed immune!  

It is no wonder that the UK population feel that they were never represented in the EU Parliament when a number of the UK MEP's so fundamentally failed to do the job that they were elected to and paid for.

Its simple, he worked out he could make a load of money for doing fuck all, and "appear" to his dribbling fan base to be sticking it to the EU.

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6 hours ago, RIchard Britten said:

Isn't that like saying "I didn't agree with Hitler's views, but at least he was a vegitarian".

Farage is a blight on the British people.

Hardly. Although I would suggest Farage is chiefly a self-publicist, a trait he shares with BoJo. He is more intelligent than Johnson though.

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4 hours ago, P.K. said:

I'm curious because I've only recently become aware of his MEP modus operandi.

As everyone is aware his attendance is 745th out of 746 on the MEP register with only the Irish MEP who has NEVER voted beneath him. It turns out that when he attends he completely ignores what is actually being debated and gets up on his hind legs to make a "contribution" that is strictly for "home" consumption. He then gets on the next Eurostar back to Blighty.

In other words he is a typical brexiteer in that he is a complete and utter shameless charlatan.

So how anyone can actually like him is beyond my comprehension. Thinking about it I'm probably better off keeping it that way....

It is probably a variation on the stance taken by Sinn Fein MPs (not) at Westminster. No doubt there is a great deal that is beyond your comprehension.

Don't you think it is about time you moderated your language in disdaining those who don't slavishly support the EU and its doings and want out? Perhaps it was funny for a while but now it is simply boring and adds nothing. There are genuine and complex principles involved and there are far cleverer people than you or I on both sides of the divide. Weren't you supposed to be an advocate of play the ball not the man?

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2 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

I must admit that it always puzzled me why anyone from UKIP was ever re-elected to the European Parliament.  Let me explain my thought process;

I can understand that the electorate (those that could be bothered to vote for an MEP anyway) wanted a representative who was euro-sceptical and would seek to defend the sovereignty of the UK and to uphold its interests.

Having seen that UKIP MEP's, and in particular Farage, fail to turn up to most votes or sittings of the Parliament why would they then reelect that candidate?  Surely they would be better represented by someone who actually attended the European Parliament and took an interest in what was going on.  

Could you imagine an MP/MHK who is elected but then can't be bothered going to Parliament/Tynwald apart from when they wanted to make a statement that was really nothing to do with the normal operations of Parliament.  Then would be criticised and vilified by the public, the press and colleagues and yet Farage and co. somehow have seemed immune!  

It is no wonder that the UK population feel that they were never represented in the EU Parliament when a number of the UK MEP's so fundamentally failed to do the job that they were elected to and paid for.

Again. A similar stance to Sinn Fein (not) at Westminster? We don't accept your jurisdiction and so we don't respect your assembly?

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2 hours ago, RIchard Britten said:

Its simple, he worked out he could make a load of money for doing fuck all, and "appear" to his dribbling fan base to be sticking it to the EU.

There is that too, of course.

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3 minutes ago, woolley said:

Don't you think it is about time you moderated your language in disdaining those who don't slavishly support the EU and its doings and want out? Perhaps it was funny for a while but now it is simply boring and adds nothing. There are genuine and complex principles involved and there are far cleverer people than you or I on both sides of the divide. Weren't you supposed to be an advocate of play the ball not the man?

So you don't think that Farage, Gove and Johnson have a great deal to answer for...?

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No more than other politicians throughout history. They are politicians. They take positions that may embroider the facts and accentuate the positive. That's how the system works and always has. All sides do it. It just so happens that they support something that you vehemently disagree with, so you think that they have a great deal to answer for. I do however think that there is general agreement now that Johnson is a loon.

May's agreement is actually not bad. Have you read it? There is some despicable pandering to the EU in it, but after all it is a negotiation, and there is the 48% to consider. It gets the UK out of the EU and is perfectly workable. The Irish backstop thing is a total red herring. The Contempt Motion was purely party political posturing, and there really was nothing to see as the AG commented. The deal is only being rubbished in Parliament because there is a massive inbuilt Remain majority at Westminster despite them handing over the decision to the public and despite 85% of them being elected on a Brexit platform in the 2017 election. They think they know best. The sad part is that the Brexit purists (as someone said in the Commons) in pursuit of a 7-0 victory are in danger of losing 4-3.

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In fairness, Farage’s behaviour is nothing like Sinn Féin’s. Sinn Féin don’t turn up in Westminster, demand to speak in a debate, ignore the topic and and then rant about Parliament and personally insult members of the executive for the sole purpose of generating clicks. Sinn Féin MPs, MLAs and MEPs only take ‘an average industrial wage’ and divide the rest between their constituencies and party funds - whereas Farage trousers the lot. 

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6 minutes ago, woolley said:

No more than other politicians throughout history. They are politicians. They take positions that may embroider the facts and accentuate the positive. That's how the system works and always has. All sides do it. It just so happens that they support something that you vehemently disagree with, so you think that they have a great deal to answer for. I do however think that there is general agreement now that Johnson is a loon.

Personally I think that trio dragged UK politics down to a new low.

Not just all the lies, although they were bad enough, and not just for playing the racist card, which I recall you fell for hook, line, sinker, rod and copy of Angling Times, but more it was obviously for self before constituents and country.

So their "cause" if you like wasn't anything to do with brexit. It was always about Farage, Gove and Johnson......

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