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The  pathetic thing in the row over the Speaker is that this is a situation that was made by May.

Following the referendum and her appointment as PM she decided to call a pointless election and in doing so lost the parliamentary majority.  If she had not decided to try and destroy the Labour party then she would have still been able to command a majority in the House of Commons and deliver Brexit on her terms.

Now she is left floundering around and the Government will likely face a third defeat when the meaningful vote happens.

 

Just as an aside when did "hard brexit" get replaced with "clean brexit"?   

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You could always go for a dirty Brexit, the sort you need the morning after a heavy night on the pop.

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2 minutes ago, mojomonkey said:

You could always go for a dirty Brexit, the sort you need the morning after a heavy night on the pop.

Maybe have a cheeky brexit the night before?

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56 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

The  pathetic thing in the row over the Speaker is that this is a situation that was made by May.

Following the referendum and her appointment as PM she decided to call a pointless election and in doing so lost the parliamentary majority.  If she had not decided to try and destroy the Labour party then she would have still been able to command a majority in the House of Commons and deliver Brexit on her terms.

Now she is left floundering around and the Government will likely face a third defeat when the meaningful vote happens.

 

Just as an aside when did "hard brexit" get replaced with "clean brexit"?   

no one is saying may hasn't got things wrong.........

bercow is still out of order........ but it doesn't make any difference.........it's remoans arguing with remoans........

 

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59 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

Just as an aside when did "hard brexit" get replaced with "clean brexit"?   

just remoaner terms..........:rolleyes:

 

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27 minutes ago, mojomonkey said:

You could always go for a dirty Brexit, the sort you need the morning after a heavy night on the pop.

is that like the dirty chinese and russian coal that germany is burning...........while remoaners go on about the environmental protection the eu brings....... 

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19 minutes ago, woody2 said:

no one is saying may hasn't got things wrong.........

bercow is still out of order........ but it doesn't make any difference.........it's remoans arguing with remoans........

 

No, it was the Tory party , particular the hardline brexiteers, that are in outrage over this.  What Bercow has done makes very little difference to the likelihood of Brexit but it does increase the power of parliament and may allow them to delay Government action in future (post brexit).  It was out or character, not out of order.  

18 minutes ago, woody2 said:

just remoaner terms..........:rolleyes:

 

Sorry to burst your bubble but these are not "remoaner" terms.  They are being used by Brexiteers including Jacob Rees-Mogg.

14 minutes ago, woody2 said:

is that like the dirty chinese and russian coal that germany is burning...........while remoaners go on about the environmental protection the eu brings....... 

I won't deny that Europe (including Britain) has a massive energy problem and a lack of investment in alternatives means that countries are increasingly returning to coal (albeit with adaptations supposedly 'scrubbing'' the fumes and making them safer).  The US is just as bad as Russia and China though when it comes to emissions (that is not including the emissions from Donald Trump).

Nuclear power looks to be the best of a bad bunch at the moment when it comes to solutions to the energy shortage but that obviously is not entirely free from problems. 

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1 minute ago, manxman1980 said:

Sorry to burst your bubble but these are not "remoaner" terms.  They are being used by Brexiteers including Jacob Rees-Mogg.

JRM possibly prefers the term clean Brexit as it does not sound as ghastly as hard Brexit. Either way a clean or hard Brexit will no doubt see his hedge funds suitably increase in value.

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3 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

You may want to tell that to ranty man of Westminster who was on LBC yesterday evening.

Apparently he was heading to Belgravia Police Station to report a mugging.  His view was that Bercow and Grieve had mugged him of his democratic rights and were planning to stop Brexit.  A caller shortly after kindly informed him that Belgravia Police Station would be closed by the time he arrived :)

Someone should point out to ranty man that Bercow did not vote on this amendment but rather the sovereignty of parliament did.

You know, the main reason ranty man voted for a complete and utter clusterfuck.

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2 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

Just as an aside when did "hard brexit" get replaced with "clean brexit"?   

Since it looks more and more likely. Therefore more and more aspects of what it would mean have made it into the public domain.

In keeping with everything brexit the UK right wing press, which is to say pretty much all of it, have therefore tried to put a positive spin on it to make it sound less catastrophic.

 

On 1/5/2019 at 11:06 PM, P.K. said:

By the same logic with so much dissent over the Maybot's deal perhaps we should have another referendum?

I see the latest sop to the stupid by the UK right wing press, which is to say pretty much all of it, is the promotion of "a clean break"from the EU or some such nonsense. Of course, it's just trying to put the best possible spin onto a catastrophic no deal exit. Sounds good doesn't it though? A "clean break" from the EU.

Complete and utter nonsense of course. We will still be trading with them and so forth. After all, they grow a great deal of the food we eat! But doesn't it sound good to a brexiteer?

An aspect of the "sovereignty" nonsense made me smile today. The majority stake in an important piece of UK infrastructure, Gatwick Airport, has been sold to a French company. What price sovereignty now eh?

What's even funnier is that all the right wingers on here, you know the ones who bitch and moan about the EU being run by evil Goblins intent on world domination etc etc and they never asked to be part of an "unelected superstate" etc etc - would have voted for Ted Heath!

Now THAT'S funny....

 

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58 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

No, it was the Tory party , particular the hardline brexiteers, that are in outrage over this.  What Bercow has done makes very little difference to the likelihood of Brexit but it does increase the power of parliament and may allow them to delay Government action in future (post brexit).  It was out or character, not out of order.  

 

it doesn't increase power at all...... they are non legally binding........it's more time wasting by remoans which makes zero difference.....

bercow is out of order- but it makes zero difference......

1 hour ago, manxman1980 said:

 

Sorry to burst your bubble but these are not "remoaner" terms.  They are being used by Brexiteers including Jacob Rees-Mogg.

 

yes they are.......cs came up with them who are remoaners......

1 hour ago, manxman1980 said:

I won't deny that Europe (including Britain) has a massive energy problem and a lack of investment in alternatives means that countries are increasingly returning to coal (albeit with adaptations supposedly 'scrubbing'' the fumes and making them safer).  The US is just as bad as Russia and China though when it comes to emissions (that is not including the emissions from Donald Trump).

Nuclear power looks to be the best of a bad bunch at the moment when it comes to solutions to the energy shortage but that obviously is not entirely free from problems. 

you missed the point........remoans keep banging on about how the eu environmental protection........ yet just the opposite is true with germanys dirty coal habit.......add in the shipping co2 and its even worse.......

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1 hour ago, mojomonkey said:

JRM possibly prefers the term clean Brexit as it does not sound as ghastly as hard Brexit. Either way a clean or hard Brexit will no doubt see his hedge funds suitably increase in value.

derogatory term invented by remoans.......

next you'll be telling us he's moved his office to ireland..........

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1 hour ago, mojomonkey said:

Everyone is a remoaner compared to Woody, he's the alpha leaver.

how's the recession in germany........

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ouch........

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A former top spook and an ex-defence chief have taken the unprecedented step of urging Tory constituency bosses to order their MP to vote against Theresa May's Brexit deal.

Former MI6 head Sir Richard Dearlove and ex-former chief of the defence staff Lord Guthrie have written to Conservative association chairs claiming the EU withdrawal agreement threatens national security.

In an explosive move which will infuriate the prime minister and her allies, delight Brexiteers and dismay Remainers, they write: "Please ensure that your MP does not vote for this bad agreement."

In their letter, Sir Richard - who was chief of the secret intelligence staff - and Lord Guthrie claim the prime minister's Brexit deal would surrender the UK's forces and intelligence services to EU control.

They also protest that it would damage the UK's relationship with NATO, the US, and the leading Commonwealth security and intelligence partners Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

The controversial move, which will be attacked by pro-Remain MPs as inappropriate meddling in the democratic process by a former spook and defence chief, follows a similar warning on security six weeks ago.

On 29 November, Sir Richard, along with pro-Brexit campaigners Sir Rocco Forte, Martin Howe QC, Lord Lawson, Lord Trimble and former Royal Marines chief Major General Julian Thomspon, wrote to the prime minister.

At the time, Downing Street said the claims that Mrs May's deal would threaten UK national security and surrender influence on defence and intelligence to the European Union were "simply wrong".

"The deal provides a feasible framework for times of crisis," said a Number 10 spokesman at the time.

"It gives us an option to co-operate in these areas. It does not create an obligation to do so."

But that rebuff has prompted Sir Richard and Lord Guthrie to claim the first letter "touched a raw nerve" in Number 10 and write to Tory association chairs urging them to put pressure on Conservative MPs.

The intervention comes just days before MPs are due to vote on Mrs May's divorce deal, next Tuesday.

The UK is due to leave the EU on 29 March 2019, by default.

Mrs May is grappling to get her Brexit deal through parliament, trying to win over the more than 90 Conservative MPs who vowed to vote against it in December.

https://www.manxradio.com/news/uk-news/ex-mi6-and-defence-chiefs-warn-tory-mps-to-vote-down-brexit-deal-that-threatens-national-security/

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tick-tock.........

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