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So the UK is finished says Theresa Mayhem

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Makes our lot look competent and cohesive.

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1 hour ago, mojomonkey said:

Don't all member states have to agree to any extension?

yes.....

italy could be fun........

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labour mp said on the beeb they will now back the wa.........

wtf- either trying to get a ge or they didn't understand the difference between the wa and future deal.....

most properly both......

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3 minutes ago, woody2 said:

labour mp said on the beeb they will now back the wa.........

wtf- either trying to get a ge or they didn't understand the difference between the wa and future deal.....

most properly both......

Me neither?

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3 hours ago, Cambon said:

What a bunch of over educated half wits the uk government is. Where is Guy Falkes when you need him? 

 

Fawkes.

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22 minutes ago, woolley said:

Fawkes.

Also known as Guido. I suspect he would have been a Remainer given that he tried to set up continental rule over Britain by blowing up parliament (and with it any semblance of national representative democracy) as a prelude to a Spanish invasion of Britain and the setting up of a Roman Catholic puppet dictatorship taking orders from Madrid and Rome.

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28 minutes ago, Rushen Spy said:

Also known as Guido. I suspect he would have been a Remainer given that he tried to set up continental rule over Britain by blowing up parliament (and with it any semblance of national representative democracy) as a prelude to a Spanish invasion of Britain and the setting up of a Roman Catholic puppet dictatorship taking orders from Madrid and Rome.

Something like the EU "ever closer union" then. It strikes me that the UK is not leaving anything. It wants a free trade deal with Europe now. Precisely what we joined in 1973. It's the "Common Market" that has left us having transformed itself into something far more sinister.

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2 hours ago, Rushen Spy said:

Also known as Guido. I suspect he would have been a Remainer given that he tried to set up continental rule over Britain by blowing up parliament (and with it any semblance of national representative democracy) as a prelude to a Spanish invasion of Britain and the setting up of a Roman Catholic puppet dictatorship taking orders from Madrid and Rome.

He killed himself. Five feet six when they started six feet two when they finished. Then he jumped.

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1 hour ago, woolley said:

Something like the EU "ever closer union" then. It strikes me that the UK is not leaving anything. It wants a free trade deal with Europe now. Precisely what we joined in 1973. It's the "Common Market" that has left us having transformed itself into something far more sinister.

This is true old spy that you are. However, we did have a hand in the transformation..

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4 hours ago, Barrie Stevens said:

He killed himself. Five feet six when they started six feet two when they finished. Then he jumped.

He was a religious fanatic. He hated James I of England (a dictatorial tyrant if ever there was one) and wanted him and his oldest son Henry dead and replaced by his daughter Elizabeth, who they hoped could be raised Catholic. He was very anti-Scottish and resented England having a Scottish Presbyterian king, but doesn’t seem to have wanted to break up the brand new United Kingdom, just to ensure that the U.K. had a monarch who was English and Catholic. 

The aims of gunpowder plot wasn’t anything to setting up continental rule over the U.K. It wasn’t about tariffs (which were low and only intended for raising royal revenues, not protecting sectors of the economy). It wasn’t about laws, trading standards or regulations, which varied from region to region and didn’t come close to It any kind of codification until the Napoleonic era. It wasn’t about sovereignty and the Pope was not the political leader of Europe by this point, just another player in European power games (eg, 85 years later the Pope backed the Protestant side in the Glorious Revolution.) The gunpowder plot was motivated by religion, not politics. 

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Now Parliament says they don’t want no deal, the choices left are:

1. Bad deal. NI’s economy to be run by the RoI and not Westminster indefinitely. £39B bill. No agencies, no U.K. EU employees, no say, no influence, no Erasmus, no Galileo, no Euratom, etc. A deal so bad most brexiter MPs have already rejected it twice. Could lead to a second referendum in Scotland. 

Or, 

2. Remain. 

Or,

3. Beg for a short extension that will likely be rejected. 

Or, 

4. Beg for a longer extension that will probably only be accepted if there’s another referendum. 

Celtic nationalists like Woolley will obviously be in favour of the first option. No deal zealots like Woody will probably be hoping for the third option to succeed and then hope to overturn the  no deal rejection. 

I don’t like option 1 because I don’t want Scotland and England and Wales to break up. I don’t like option 2 because, even though leave cheated and were almost definitely backed by Russia, had no plans and their ludicrous claims about trade deals hadn’t been tested, they won. I don’t like 3. because it would be humiliating and in all probability a waste of time. I don’t like 4 because the uncertainty will drag on. If I had to choose now though, I’d probably go for either 1, or 4. 

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16 hours ago, woody2 said:

art.60.....which i mentioned some weeks back:whistling:.....

*cough*  article 62 *cough*

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