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2 minutes ago, P.K. said:

As "positive" spins go that really is weak....

It's just reality. Of course the IMF is driving a lot of this so the reprieve may only be temporary but it is what it is. There will be positives and negatives in whatever direction the UK decides upon. Such is life.

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8 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Donald Tusk: "I hope there is a special place in hell for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how they were going to do it". Press briefing with Varadkar this morning.

Strong stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/06/donald-tusk-special-place-hell-brexit-promoters-most-likely-burn

He meant these people and this is what the idiots said..Also taxpayer funded by the way

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It was all rather obvious once the maybot got into bed with the DUP that things were going to become even more complicated. It all seems rather contrived to me. I'm not sure even jeremy corbyn can save us from this mess now.

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You are joking about Corbyn aren’t you? That throwback to the seventies was a Russian Brexit bot pre-Internet and before the fall of the Berlin Wall. 

Interestingly, I met Nigel the other day. A prematurely old and strikingly weedy little man in bright yellow trousers and a country squire jacket. I was struck with the thought that his mug shot should be a warning on fag packets. He comes across as very lonely and timid away from a microphone. Living testimony that money can’t buy you happiness. 

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3 minutes ago, Freggyragh said:

You are joking about Corbyn aren’t you? That throwback to the seventies was a Russian Brexit bot pre-Internet and before the fall of the Berlin Wall. 

Interestingly, I met Nigel the other day. A prematurely old and strikingly weedy little man in bright yellow trousers and a country squire jacket. I was struck with the thought that his mug shot should be a warning on fag packets. He comes across as very lonely and timid away from a microphone. Living testimony that money can’t buy you happiness. 

Maybe not but you get a better class of enemy - SM

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meanwhile. China and Russia consolidate their bases and push forward with quiet, slow but relentless acquisition and military growth......to what end?

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1 hour ago, Freggyragh said:

 

Interestingly, I met Nigel the other day. A prematurely old and strikingly weedy little man in bright yellow trousers and a country squire jacket. 

And how was nigel dressed?

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35 minutes ago, doc.fixit said:

meanwhile. China and Russia consolidate their bases and push forward with quiet, slow but relentless acquisition and military growth......to what end?

Don't baffle them with logic Doc, it will fry their brains.

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China and Russia are both very concerning. They’re been working on soft power, propaganda and destabilisation in Western Europe, North America and East Asia for some time, and on Economic control in the Middle East, Africa and even South America. They’ve done a reasonable job of dividing Europe so far - some way to go before they make their moves yet though. 

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4 hours ago, P.K. said:

Time to put this nonsense in perspective.

So here is the FULL quote:

“We will not gamble on peace or put a sell-by date on reconciliation. And this is why we insist on the backstop,” Mr Tusk said, alluding clearly to British demands for a backstop exit mechanism. “The EU 27 will not be making any new offer.

"I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely.

So it was all about the NI border and the complete lack of any mention about how to manage it throughout the brexit campaign. As I have posted previously I'm very glad that the EU take the GFA a lot more seriously as above than our own Brexiteers. So, it would appear, do the Irish:

This Ireland border stuff is total rubbish. A red herring to draw in the gullible and you, naturally, have taken it all in like a toilet. Everyone is committed to no hard border whatever happens. Have you forgotten that? It is all part of their machinations to try to keep the UK in the customs union and deny it an independent trade policy.

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4 hours ago, Freggyragh said:

Lxxx, I agree with your points concerning monetary union. Definitely a flawed system, that Gordon Brown was wise to keep the UK out of.

To make the leap from that position to staying out of the Single Market and all the international free trade deals and trade agreements that go with it, just so Jacob and Nigel can avoid paying their share towards social investment and defence, is ridiculous. It means that those who can’t avoid taxes will pay more and British pensions, education, health, and infrastructure will be cut to the bone. 

The EU will stand by Ireland. The ‘we hold all the cards’ nonsense was only ever as realistic as the plan for Brexit or the David Davis preparations for negotiations. The toffs and spivs, whose only plan was a tax avoidance plan, will short the pound and divert their funds elsewhere, and laugh at the willing cheerleaders they despise; the chumps who gave away their gold medal trade prospects, passports, freedoms and currency for nothing. 

What on Earth? The EU is not about freedoms! It is the antithesis of freedom. It is not about standing by Ireland either (see my previous post). Of course we have the usual jaundiced view from Freggy of all things British. No doubt we will be back to Victorian times and children up chimneys. There will be no race to the bottom. Gold medal prospects! LoL!!

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4 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

Tusk is right. The neo Thatcherites like Redwood, Rees-Mogg, Duncan-Smith, Johnson, Farage. the ERG et all have never told the public what the real game is. End of post-war consensus government, end of NHS and a deregulated and free market Britain. The biggest confidence trick in the history of British politics and millions of people fell for it on the back of mass immigration to our country. They've almost got Thatcher's cold, dead, clammy hands on the prize.

Good gracious. There really has been some cobblers on here this evening. I think you are letting your historical hatred of Thatcher get the better of you, SMUJ. End of the NHS? What is this? Corbyn propaganda? There is more and more money poured into it every single year, and already there is greater funding pledged to it than was on the side of the Brexit bus. Nobody will touch it, or even bring in much needed reform simply because it is a sacred cow, and to do anything about it it is political suicide. The unions killed post-war consensus government in the 70s when they brought down Heath and, stoked up on hubris, went on to bankrupt the country under their own Labour government.

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14 minutes ago, woolley said:

This Ireland border stuff is total rubbish. A red herring to draw in the gullible and you, naturally, have taken it all in like a toilet. Everyone is committed to no hard border whatever happens. Have you forgotten that? It is all part of their machinations to try to keep the UK in the customs union and deny it an independent trade policy.

Dream on.

So "everyone", including Nigel Farage, is committed to no hard border then? Strange but true I don't believe he gives a stuff.  Funny that....

As I have posted before it's Brexiteers like you that make me glad that the EU take the GFA a lot more seriously than you and your ilk.

So tell me again how the GFA is rubbish to this gentleman:

 https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-caller-brexit-good-friday-agreement/

Yeah.....

Right.....

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1 minute ago, P.K. said:

Dream on.

So "everyone", including Nigel Farage, is committed to no hard border then? Strange but true I don't believe he gives a stuff.  Funny that....

As I have posted before it's Brexiteers like you that make me glad that the EU take the GFA a lot more seriously than you and your ilk.

So tell me again how the GFA is rubbish to this gentleman:

 https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-caller-brexit-good-friday-agreement/

Yeah.....

Right.....

I keep telling you that everyone takes the GFA seriously for the simple reason that nobody is threatening either it or a hard border. In fact everyone is signed up to the precise opposite. Nobody said the GFA is rubbish. Nobody is trying to undermine it in any way. People's fears are simply being used by the EU to whip up baseless anxiety in an attempt to obstruct the UK having an independent trade policy. That's all there is to it and, again, you can't see past it and you take in the narrative exactly as you are supposed to.

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It’s not a jaundiced view. Its not by any means anti-British either. On the contrary, it is the Russian, Chinese and Saudi backed extremist Leaver side that is anti-British. The side that dares to invoke Dunkirk or the Spirit of the Blitz as metaphors for their sleazy political tax avoidance strategies. The side that is so nonchalant about Britain’s economic future, and doesn’t give a moment’s thought to weakening the country’s standing or reputation, the cohesion of the United Kingdom itself or the long term future of the overseas territories and dependencies. 

I think you’re generally reasonable Woolley, but you’ve taken sides in this shitshow and so I know there’s no real point in trying to persuade you that your ‘feelings’ are just wrong. The worst of British right-wing propaganda has you convinced that something not ever seen before - a completely open ‘electronic’ border between two countries with entirely different customs and tariffs arrangements - can exist, and despite having nearly three years to invent it and getting nowhere, if a group of proven liars and wild optimists say it will exist in 50 days time, you’ll believe them.

Deep down you know you are talking utter shite, but because you have invested emotional capitol in this absurd project you cannot now back down. You’re just sticking your fingers in your ears and shout ‘traitor’ at anyone who with an opposing view who genuinely cares for peoples of the U.K. (and Ireland). I think you’re better than that. 

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