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46 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Made me smile:

And then you post a link to migrationwatchuk!

Migration Watch UK!

That's as naive as claiming the German Armed Forces are in disarray because Russia Today says they are....

Buried in a Migration Watch report: the truth about immigration!

The relationship between Migration Watch and the press is basically that of a conveyer belt. They release an alarming report about how many migrants are coming to the UK, or how much they cost UK taxpayers, and the press treats it like some respectable piece of academic research.

But Migration Watch doesn't produce academic research. It produces whatever logical contortion is required to turn facts about immigrants into a weapon to beat them with. They'll say anything, or ignore anything, in order to turn the UK's political debate against migrants.

And they always have....

Actually..........  It's as naive as claiming the number of foreigners in Britain was 0.6% of the population in 1851 because, er, the official census confirms it is so! But do persist in your tomfoolery.

I knew some eejit would pick up on the Migration Watch link in precisely the way you have, simply because it is Migration Watch. I posted their link for the number of foreigners in the UK in 1851 because it was conveniently laid out with graphics showing subsequent censuses. That is not their figure, it is from the census, obviously. Are you disputing the official census? :rolleyes:

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13 minutes ago, woolley said:

Actually..........  It's as naive as claiming the number of foreigners in Britain was 0.6% of the population in 1851 because, er, the official census confirms it is so! But do persist in your tomfoolery.

I knew some eejit would pick up on the Migration Watch link in precisely the way you have, simply because it is Migration Watch. I posted their link for the number of foreigners in the UK in 1851 because it was conveniently laid out with graphics showing subsequent censuses. That is not their figure, it is from the census, obviously. Are you disputing the official census? :rolleyes:

What's the foreigners in the uk in 1851 got to do with anything?

Errr that'll be nothing then. What you might term trace elements.

Naive?  Me? Compared to you, a brexiteer. Pah!

Migration Watch UK. Dear me. And YOU post a link to them.

"I knew some etc etc" - yeah, right.....

Expected better....

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1 minute ago, P.K. said:

What's the foreigners in the uk in 1851 got to do with anything?

Errr that'll be nothing then. What you might term trace elements.

Naive?  Me? Compared to you, a brexiteer. Pah!

Migration Watch UK. Dear me. And YOU post a link to them.

"I knew some etc etc" - yeah, right.....

Expected better....

Expected better than my total and utter vindication in the face of your spurious query? 

You are called out and now blathering because the point you made is not a point. I thought it would be you, Freggy or Richard.

What the vanishingly small number of foreigners in the UK in 1851 has to do with it, of course, is proof positive of the homogeneity of the population as opposed the the fantasy dreamed up by the liberal elite in recent decades that Britain has always - note ALWAYS - been a melting pot with wave after wave of large scale immigration throughout the centuries.

There's no reasoning with you when you're like this. And you're always like this.

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Ah yes. Playing the hackneyed and much debunked "liberal elite" card. A classic brexit "get out of jail free" ploy. Of course, those "liberal elite" bastards are to blame for most of the worlds ills. Isn't that right?

Can't you see the extreme irony in making claims about the history of UK immigration and at the same time posting up links to Migration Watch UK?

In this case calling you a hypocrite is more than justified.

Migration Watch UK have a mission to paint UK immigration in the worst possible light they can. They don't care about the facts of the matter. All they care about is politicising  the likes of desperate people fleeing a war zone.

Recently barmaid, charity worker and psychiatric nurse Jo Brand was outed as a member of the "liberal elite". Strange but true I don't remember her ever making claims about UK immigration in the nineteenth century.

Funny that....

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Losing the will to live.....

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I have wondered about the "liberal elite" that have been supposedly destroying mankind.

Are the wealthy right wingers like Farage, Rupert Murdoch and the Barclay Brothers all saintly individuals who exist for the betterment of mankind, on a completely altruistic path to enlightenment and harmony?

The reality is that "liberal elite" is just another right wingers go to phrase when cornered and need a buzz word to get out of said corner.

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3 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

I have also wondered who the "liberal elite" actually are...

Does anyone have an answer?

Quilp and Woolley.

They refer to them all the time.....

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10 hours ago, RIchard Britten said:

I have wondered about the "liberal elite" that have been supposedly destroying mankind.

 

5 hours ago, manxman1980 said:

I have also wondered who the "liberal elite" actually are...   Does anyone have an answer?

 

1 hour ago, P.K. said:

Quilp and Woolley.   They refer to them all the time.....

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/12/what-explains-the-idiocy-of-the-liberal-elite-its-their-education/

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1 hour ago, woolley said:

I read that very same article immediately following the inane suggestion by another poster that you and I refer to a 'liberal elite' "all the time." Don't know about you but the last time I expressed an opinion using that term was back in the American election thread.

It's not about who or what is the 'Liberal Elite', the term describes a mindset. One that is impervious to contradictory opinion. That armour (borrowed-plumage) of self-regard and righteousness is Chobham-esque, emboldened by a barbed-wire of one-eyed, grandiose confirmation-bias.

That's why it won't be read by those whom it accurately describes. 

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That author coined the term, "virtue-signalling" did he not?

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Smoked them both out in pretty short order.

Funny....

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So the Liberal Elite is a term used by wealthy capitalists who want to keep their control over the sources of their income namely the normal people.

Creating an enemy of the Liberal Elite who would challenge the wealthy and governments to find another way of doing things is a handy way of ensuring that the general population focus blame elsewhere and away from the real culprits then?

Sorry if that is not well articulated but I am just gobsmacked. 

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Just been watching Laura K asking Boris about a no deal brexit and if he would impose it.

He immediately came back with the "Brexit Bonus Bollox" of how there wouldn't be tariffs on goods entering the UK.

The fact that tariffs would be imposed on everything being exported from the UK thus making them totally uncompetitive and unsellable semmed to slip his mind.

Be afraid.

Be VERY afraid...

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2 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

So the Liberal Elite is a term used by wealthy capitalists who want to keep their control over the sources of their income namely the normal people.

Creating an enemy of the Liberal Elite who would challenge the wealthy and governments to find another way of doing things is a handy way of ensuring that the general population focus blame elsewhere and away from the real culprits then?

Sorry if that is not well articulated but I am just gobsmacked. 

Not quite.

On here it seems that if you have an inferiority complex then you can invent all sorts of nonsense about folks that suits your agenda. Including the "elitist" badge, sneering at the proles etc etc. Jo Brand barmaid, charity worker and psychiatris nurse is, according to self-serving , lying, typical brexiteer Nigel Farage a member of the "Liberal Elite" and is determined to stop "your brexit" whatever "your" means in this context. I'm beginning to think Farage believes his own lies that brexit will be wonderful.

The fact that it exists only in the minds of the unstable and couldn't be more detached from reality is an irrelevance.

For example they simply cannot accept that pretty much all the projections indicate that brexit is a really really stupid idea. All they have to counter this is "Wait and see. In fifty years time you'll see brexit was the smart move" or some such guff. I don't like gambling. Especially when the stake is the future of my kids....

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2 hours ago, quilp said:

That author coined the term, "virtue-signalling" did he not?

Indeed he did.

He is quite perceptive about these intellectual snobs who in their own minds are righteous about all the ills of the world. As you say, those so accurately describes will not read it because they could never possibly be wrong about anything. I particularly liked: "Anyone who appears not to subscribe to these views must, of necessity, be a sinner or else appallingly misled by the Daily Mail or some other evil force. It is outrageous to the elite that the work of the Devil should prevail." :D

The liberal elite is not so much a "who" as a "type", and their "wisdom" cuts across all income groups and classes seducing anyone who is even slightly suggestible to it. The backlash was well overdue.

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