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Abortion plight should shame us all? Really?


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The Manx Taliban strikes again. No need for a medical opinion or to consult with clinical experts. The religious zealots had all bases covered on this one. This FOI request must be extremely unconvienient for Beecroft in proving that bugger all was done other than someone declaring "This isn't happening on moral grounds as I think it's wrong - and that's the end of it"

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this subject needs to go hand in hand with discusßion on sexually transmitted diseases, but for some reason, other than a casual mention, rarely is

Do you really stand by that ridiculous comment?

 

yes, of course i do. it's not all encompassing obviously, because there are various reasons for unwanted pregnancies. but you need to accept there is a correlation. obviously.

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Perhaps the zealots didn't look to hard for evidence that opposed their mindset.

 

Beecroft has really gone down in my estimation on this. No doubt she and her allies think they know more about this subject than a registered medical practitioner.

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Beecroft needs telling right off over this, she's letting her personal opinion interfere with parliamentary process which is really quite bad. Considering she is supposed to represent a whole load of people to not seek professional advice over such an important matter is failing do her job as a Manx parliamentarian - sack her.

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There needs to be a strong Chief Minister with a strong Council of Ministers (there is neither of those) to get her to change - or resign. .

 

Kate Beecroft is in an extremely strong position. Howard Quayle will not want her on the outside (he's knows what that is like from the last Government), and besides to sack her would need a CoMin reshuffle and that would be messy.

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They're a bunch of peasants. And we are too, because we keep voting them in.

 

What is wrong with us? Why are we first to open the doors to money but the last to open the doors to humanity?

But the very wording of your statement is emotive and will be offensive to those who see abortion as murder. "Open the doors to humanity?" they will say, "You are slamming it in their faces before they've had the chance to be born." This is a circle you can't square. You either believe in the woman's right to choose or you believe in the right to life of the unborn child. You can't have a bit of both.

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I think the Island's position on abortion is based on an uneasy - or maybe quite easy and comfortable - alliance between religious conservatism and funding imperatives. The status quo is that everybody knows if you need an abortion you go to England and buy one. Thereby the god botherers in their strange twilight world can pretend it isn't happening and the government doesn't have to pay for it.

 

Had we lost the reciprocal health agreement, which our government was totally ambivalent about before the rumpus was kicked up, a similar model would have existed with people self-funding through insurance.

 

It should always be the woman's right to choose what is happening with her body. That transcends any other consideration and full support should be available for them locally. It's the only civilised outcome.

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your statement is emotive and will be offensive to those who see abortion as murder.

Of course it will but they choose to view things this way to severely limit discussion. The most radical of them view contraception based on uterine implantation prevention as murder too probably as a method of stopping all discussion.

 

Their thinking is that life starts at conception and any intervention after that, no matter what, is wrong. They sometimes add a reference to their god at some point too.

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Beecroft needs telling right off over this, she's letting her personal opinion interfere with parliamentary process which is really quite bad. Considering she is supposed to represent a whole load of people to not seek professional advice over such an important matter is failing do her job as a Manx parliamentarian - sack her.

 

She shouldn't be sacked but she should be properly shown up. This is nothing but the personal opinions of people who aren't even medically qualified. The Manx Taliban don't like abortion so that's it. They claim they consulted when clearly they didn't. How many poor women are they forcing outside the system to sort themselves out at a traumatic time without the basic support of the DHSC by continuing down this blind alley? It's hardly good for either their health or their mential wellbeing.

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