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I was in Liverpool a couple of weeks ago and a local acquaintance told me that LCC are currently toying with the idea of imposing a traffic "clean air" or congestion charge for vehicles transiting the city, similar to that in London.

The implications of that for traffic users of the new terminal are that car/van drivers coming to and from the boat could well be hit with an additional charge (both ways?) if their vehicles aren't Euro 6 compliant (or whatever criteria LCC choose to use/apply).

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17 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

I was in Liverpool a couple of weeks ago and a local acquaintance told me that LCC are currently toying with the idea of imposing a traffic "clean air" or congestion charge for vehicles transiting the city, similar to that in London.

The implications of that for traffic users of the new terminal are that car/van drivers coming to and from the boat could well be hit with an additional charge (both ways?) if their vehicles aren't Euro 6 compliant (or whatever criteria LCC choose to use/apply).

That has been mooted for some time, same for Manchester. 

ETA Seems that both schemes have been deferred in view of impact on businesses.   

Liverpool say they won't be introducing a charge to assist in their CAZ initiative,  so it looks like it isn’t going to be an issue.

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18 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

I was in Liverpool a couple of weeks ago and a local acquaintance told me that LCC are currently toying with the idea of imposing a traffic "clean air" or congestion charge for vehicles transiting the city, similar to that in London.

The implications of that for traffic users of the new terminal are that car/van drivers coming to and from the boat could well be hit with an additional charge (both ways?) if their vehicles aren't Euro 6 compliant (or whatever criteria LCC choose to use/apply).

I've always been of the opinion that the choice of Half Tide dock was a very very poor one for various reasons.

However I've since realised that it's ideal to ship across very large numbers of foreign motorcyclists...

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20 minutes ago, Gladys said:

That has been mooted for some time, same for Manchester. 

ETA Seems that both schemes have been deferred in view of impact on businesses.   

Liverpool say they won't be introducing a charge to assist in their CAZ initiative,  so it looks like it isn’t going to be an issue.

Good to hear. IOM reg numbers are their systems though. I know through experience with ULEZ.

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22 hours ago, Happier diner said:

Good to hear. IOM reg numbers are their systems though. I know through experience with ULEZ.

You’re wrong in assuming that there is a unified system with shared IoM data access.

I don’t think the Thames crossing, or new Runcorn bridge do. I’ve tried paying for Runcorn, won’t recognise my index number.

I know that Ireland’s M50 Dublin ring road has access.

I find it frustrating, as I have a toll tag that works in France, Spain, Portugal. There’s no reason why M6 toll, Thames crossing, Runcorn, Mersey tunnels etc shouldn’t have installed that technology. Dublins M50 has the technology but using a non compatible billing system - I get a tag not readable message.

Its portable, sticks on the windscreen, can be moved from car to car. Works in many Spanish car parks and Barcelona Airport pick up zone. I just get a monthly bill. 

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56 minutes ago, John Wright said:

You’re wrong in assuming that there is a unified system with shared IoM data access.

I don’t think the Thames crossing, or new Runcorn bridge do. I’ve tried paying for Runcorn, won’t recognise my index number.

I know that Ireland’s M50 Dublin ring road has access.

I find it frustrating, as I have a toll tag that works in France, Spain, Portugal. There’s no reason why M6 toll, Thames crossing, Runcorn, Mersey tunnels etc shouldn’t have installed that technology. Dublins M50 has the technology but using a non compatible billing system - I get a tag not readable message.

Its portable, sticks on the windscreen, can be moved from car to car. Works in many Spanish car parks and Barcelona Airport pick up zone. I just get a monthly bill. 

There is certainly some variance in the data that they use. I too don't bother with the Runcorn bridge as it doesn't recognise my plate when I enter the details. What I was saying was though, is that there must be a way of obtaining it. Many have probably not bothered but tfl clearly have. Therefore if Manchester and/or Liverpool do choose this route and can be bothered with IOM revenue, they clearly could.

Hopefully they won't bother👍

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10 minutes ago, Happier diner said:

There is certainly some variance in the data that they use. I too don't bother with the Runcorn bridge as it doesn't recognise my plate when I enter the details. What I was saying was though, is that there must be a way of obtaining it. Many have probably not bothered but tfl clearly have. Therefore if Manchester and/or Liverpool do choose this route and can be bothered with IOM revenue, they clearly could.

Hopefully they won't bother👍

There’s no variance in the data they use. It can only come from one source, DoI in the IoM.

The variances are how, if at all, they access.

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On 10/24/2022 at 8:18 AM, Happier diner said:

There is certainly some variance in the data that they use. I too don't bother with the Runcorn bridge as it doesn't recognise my plate when I enter the details. What I was saying was though, is that there must be a way of obtaining it. Many have probably not bothered but tfl clearly have. Therefore if Manchester and/or Liverpool do choose this route and can be bothered with IOM revenue, they clearly could.

Hopefully they won't bother👍

Doubt it with such easy marks who have no choice but to drive through. In fact a Manx reg will be charged extra because of the CO2/NO from the boats. So hope the new ferry is at least hybrid electric so we can eliminate that while at the dock.

Turns out it is. 4 diesel engines (most efficent ones in the world according to Guiness World Records) with electric final drives.

The highly efficient generators sets will feed electric final drives, coupled to highly efficient propellors to ensure a vibration free crossing. Any excess electricity generated will be stored by the vessel’s on board batteries, which will be used during periods of higher demand, or while the vessel is alongside in port to reduce emissions.

Could be handy in future if the batteries run low, they could stop off anywhere in the windfarms and plug in for a top-up or run an over head line like the trams.

Hopefully, the batteries are good old lead acid and not lithium or we'll be looking for a few million when it comes time to replace them too.

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