mojomonkey 3,381 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 "I don't think being clever [AKA knowing the law] with a police officer tends to end well." Okay, so we should just submit to their authorit-eh and accept we live in a lawless police state. Let's just throw out rule of law. Let's bring in Judge Dredd policemen who are jury and executioner. Why bother with laws? I think you're misunderstanding me, perhaps deliberately. I'm not saying you're wrong about knowing the law and your rights but surely you'd accept that for the majority of people arguing the toss with a police officer is unlikely to end well. I'm not saying it's right but that's the way it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
llap 2,044 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I don't think it would be "arguing the toss" if I took issue with being unjustifiably stopped. Perhaps it's because I'm such a law-abiding and respectable person that I would take issue if they did unjustifiably stop me. I've never been stopped by a police officer, never been involved in anything with them in a personal capacity, and have nothing but positive things to say about my experiences with them. By the way, I've noticed about a 1,000% increase in the number of police cars passing me since posting on this thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mojomonkey 3,381 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I purposely stated earlier that i was talking generally and not personally. I'm not questioning whether or not you personally know the law and applicable rights inside out. I'm talking about the general situation, can you accept that a significant proportion of people would only end up talking themselves into a worse situation? I presume your suggestion of the police now watching you is only a joke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woody2 5,021 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 just remember to knock down as many as possible.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mojomonkey 3,381 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 just remember to knock down as many as possible.... Random, even for you. Ten pin bowling? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
llap 2,044 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I purposely stated earlier that i was talking generally and not personally. I'm not questioning whether or not you personally know the law and applicable rights inside out. I'm talking about the general situation, can you accept that a significant proportion of people would only end up talking themselves into a worse situation? I presume your suggestion of the police now watching you is only a joke. I accept that an ordinary person would only end up talking themselves into a worse situation. It isn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gladys 7,440 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 The law is quite clear about what constitutes "reasonable". Erm, no. It depends on the circumstances, all of which you have to weigh up in a split second if you want to make the right decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
llap 2,044 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 The law is quite clear about what constitutes "reasonable". Erm, no. It depends on the circumstances, all of which you have to weigh up in a split second if you want to make the right decision. Erm, yes. Context is obviously a major factor but the law does allow us to figure out if it is reasonable or unreasonable. Without that, we might has well just throw out all law and allow the police to arbitrarily stop and search anyone for no reason whatsoever. I'm afraid over a millennia of British legal precedent - not to mention a major civil war - saying that state authority and its officials cannot act arbitrarily make that very plain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VinnieK 1,434 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 That must be why I got sent down for resisting after that brawl outside Paramount---I should have cited the English Civil War as precedent. Next time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
notwell 5,721 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Pretty disgusting behaviour over the weekend in terms of assualts on police officers. It's a shame they cannot take a firmer stance when dealing with criminals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quilp 10,845 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 It's a shame they cannot take a firmer stance when dealing with criminals. So Pava spray, batons and savage dogs aren't enough? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thommo2010 1,947 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 It's a shame they cannot take a firmer stance when dealing with criminals.So Pava spray, batons and savage dogs aren't enough? Batons and dogs are never used on people and pava is a safer way of restraining people than actually fighting with them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Tatlock 11,621 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I couldn't resist one once. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
quilp 10,845 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Do you like a man in uniform, Albert? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hboy 1,996 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 It's a shame they cannot take a firmer stance when dealing with criminals.So Pava spray, batons and savage dogs aren't enough?Batons and dogs are never used on people and pava is a safer way of restraining people than actually fighting with them Pava spray sounds good to me. I don't see why the police should have to put up with such violence when they can just spray the twat in the face and watch him go blind. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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