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Time To Change The Law On Drugs?


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My opinion is widespread drug use amongst humankind began around 150,000-200,000 years ago. With experimentation previously becoming popular in Neanderthal society and being endorsed by crossover and Homosapien societies shortly after. 

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3 hours ago, quilp said:

Cultivation for personal use, 4 plants say, at any one time and a small licence fee to keep the androids happy would be the least they could/should pass legislation for. A 4 plant rotation is an adequate number to cultivate for a sustained, individual supply for a year.

The whole process, from initial germination to the finished product is a very holistic experience.

So I'm told... 

I would say two is plenty. That’s what the policy is in other countries that have made this work. 

Decriminalisation and no more than 28 grams per person. Any more and you get done for dealing - and with that comes a penalty.

It works well in other countries with funds from ‘The War’ diverted to better uses. 

My reservation would that where this model is successful, it’s in places where there aren’t as many dicks as there are here.

Less dicks - more chance of cooperation and compliance.

More dicks - less chance of the above, together with just general dickery on top. 

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In our situation where we might allow personal home growth, there would have to be an allowance for sharing with friends? Not giving them a k to take away but allowing a toke during the evening? That's what made it an enlightenment?

That's the way it always worked, would be churlish to refuse!

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2 hours ago, The Phantom said:

Inadvertent microdosing from soil fungi etc. I doubt Cavemen got depressed.

I’ve lived in a community where 6/7 have been micro dosing with shrooms or liquid LSD. Tiny amounts built on slow increments, taken on a rota of three days/two days (my memory is shaky on the rota) Tiny amounts but resulting in huge emotional and physical changes for some - not all.

It was suggested that for those who had little positive change that it was necessary to have at least one proper ‘trip’ to release the true micro dosing effect. Anecdotal only but a view shared by more than one person.

I’m not sure governments want to encourage drugs that bring more consciousness to people. I think they prefer the drugs and distractions we have that take us away from true consciousness of our existence and not just filling in the gaps.

I’ve often wondered if it’s on purpose. Weed, LSD, MDMA, mushrooms, are all drugs that bring you closer to consciousness. I also wonder if that’s why they’re banned while other more harmful substances are legal and encouraged. 

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17 hours ago, Roxanne said:

I’m not sure governments want to encourage drugs that bring more consciousness to people. I think they prefer the drugs and distractions we have that take us away from true consciousness of our existence and not just filling in the gaps.

I’ve often wondered if it’s on purpose. Weed, LSD, MDMA, mushrooms, are all drugs that bring you closer to consciousness. I also wonder if that’s why they’re banned while other more harmful substances are legal and encouraged. 

I've always believed that such drug taking leads generally to less consciousness, not more. I know the takers believe that their mind power etc increases and they have better realisations etc. But that is not how it seems from the other side of the lens, so to speak. They just seem fuzzy and confused.

Most of the Covid deniers and other such conspiracy theorists I know who tell me their revelations  which they have experienced, are cannabis smokers. I don't agree with any of their theories and the revelations they tell me, with open eyes and enthusiasm, I knew as a kid.

That said, I admit I like a pint or two, and after a few I talk some utter shite too.

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https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/level-of-frustration-with-medicinal-cannabis-export-market/

Govt jobsworths have regulated the shit out of it so much all ready that we are having amend the process as the only person that can actually be bothered or afford to jump through all the hoops that have been put in place for this ground breaking savior to the manx economy is the local billionaire. 

Basically exactly what we have done to everything else the FSA or GSC get their mits on. 

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1 hour ago, The Phantom said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/level-of-frustration-with-medicinal-cannabis-export-market/

Govt jobsworths have regulated the shit out of it so much all ready that we are having amend the process as the only person that can actually be bothered or afford to jump through all the hoops that have been put in place for this ground breaking savior to the manx economy is the local billionaire. 

Basically exactly what we have done to everything else the FSA or GSC get their mits on. 

Anything governmental monkeys get involved in invariably stalls due to excess paperwork and pedantic pen pushers

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1 hour ago, The Phantom said:

Govt jobsworths have regulated the shit out of it so much all ready that we are having amend the process as the only person that can actually be bothered or afford to jump through all the hoops that have been put in place for this ground breaking savior to the manx economy is the local billionaire. 

You're assuming that this is a bug not a feature.

At least one Channel Islands clinic claims to have "teams in Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man [...] led by Local Doctors and Pharmacists who are highly trained in the field of medicinal cannabis" so there are clearly people wanting to set up here to supply as well.

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22 minutes ago, Passing Time said:

Anything governmental monkeys get involved in invariably stalls due to excess paperwork and pedantic pen pushers

 

11 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

You're assuming that this is a bug not a feature.

At least one Channel Islands clinic claims to have "teams in Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man [...] led by Local Doctors and Pharmacists who are highly trained in the field of medicinal cannabis" so there are clearly people wanting to set up here to supply as well.

I was with some of the new team for Digital Isle yesterday regarding some new proposed sectors of interest to explore and how to do this/get govt support.

At the same time I was with a guy who used to work at Digital Isle and has now gone back to ‘Poacher’ rather than ‘Game Keeper’.  Hilariously, after a couple of hours of brainstorming, he piped up with “you know X person (now also left) and I already did this a few years ago, you should have a look in your archives.” 

Even he also stated that whatever they chose to do, whilst all the stakeholders agree there needs to be some oversight and regulation, don’t go overboard, like they did with Cannabis, Funds, Crypto, Captive Insurance etc etc.  Whereby they’ll force everyone who initially came here based on a really great idea get forced elsewhere by the bureaucratic realities and other govt meddling that kills the industry.

Three GPs I've spoke to at different surgeries have no interest in prescribing it.  Hence why people are going to have to go private.  

 

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And at great cost. Hooper is useless. No guidance in place for potential applicants, no local assessment consultation for suitability and no plans ("nope") in place for the future.

Tokenism again...

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Looking at the IOM Today website this morning. 

On the home page are 3 reports of people being busted for importing or possession and 2 reports upon the Pharmacy dispensing and the Peel Group cultivation plans. 

The irony is like some kind of sick joke.   

 

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Firm granted a licence to grow and export. 

https://www.businessisleofman.com/news/first-isle-of-man-medicinal-cannabis-for-export-licence-approved/

Gro Labs appear to be already operating in the UK, but are going to move their Head Office and some growing here. 

Although I can't find any info on a Gro Labs on the UK Companies Registry. 

Their website is already mentioning their IOM operation. 

https://growlaborganics.com/about

Still an ironic sick joke. We'll be growing and exporting here now, whilst no one here is realistically able to use it. 

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