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39 minutes ago, manxst said:

It’s disgusting and shameful, and I wonder why proper journalistic investigations aren’t carried out into it. It’s obviously all about who you know, and whose genitalia you’re going to bend over for. The senior management of the police are a joke, and it’s a sorry thing to say, but the sooner a non Manx individual becomes chief again, the better. It’s by far the worst department in government for looking after their own, and promoting cretins whose sole objective is themselves, rather than people who want the best for the Island.  

Thanks again, Derek- your insight is very illuminating. 

Hahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha, “proper journalistic investigation” Thanks manxst, that made my night

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8 hours ago, Neil Down said:

Hahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha, “proper journalistic investigation” Thanks manxst, that made my night

There are those that would and do ask the right questions, but there does seem a limit to their persistence. I remember a number of conversations with journalists where I couldn’t disclose stuff they asked about due to investigative policy. But if I’d have been in the same position I’d have gone off digging somewhere else and doubtless found the info. 

The press will often come to the cops looking for ‘confirmation’ as that then legitimises what they print. On more than one occasion I’ve suggested that if they have confidence in their source, then they should of course print their allegations etc. it’s the fear of being sued that  backs them down. I know that access to legal advice for journalists is also a bit of a desert here too.

shame, because there are stories to be told. 

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In respect of Police promotions to the upper echelons it sort of historically went like this .............   ( I make no reference to the IOM Constabulary which is maybe different)

There were historically three types of Police Officers ... 1. Those who joined to "Police" , enforce the law , and keep the public safe, who saw that as a career in its own right. 2. Those who joined with an eye to a career path to the top, the qualification for which didn't include any ability to perform the function at 1. and 3. Freemasons, whose path to the top was smoothed from the outset.

This is what blesses many forces, perhaps now coming to an end, with senior officers who have little operational experience, and through a career have spent as little time at the sharp end as possible ! Many of these people have the butterfly syndrome where their path to the top has seen them in many roles for a short time until their next step up the ladder and where officers in their department breathe a collective sigh of relief when they move on !

There are a number of cases in the press where senior officers who fill the characteristics outlined above have sadly been found wanting when the brown stuff has hit the whirly thing !

I guess those characteristics in modern days introduce a 4th category of officer. That would be some minority or other (preferably) who is utterly PC and who has kept away from any controversy in any form but ticks a number of boxes, again none of them relating to any desire or ability to Police.

Having said all the above, as Derek will tell you, there are huge numbers of seriously decent and good guys and girls looking after us as best as their numbers allow. The above comments do not take anything away from the gratitude that we owe people who are willing to put their head above the parapet !!

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7 minutes ago, asitis said:

In respect of Police promotions to the upper echelons it sort of historically went like this .............   ( I make no reference to the IOM Constabulary which is maybe different)

There were historically three types of Police Officers ... 1. Those who joined to "Police" , enforce the law , and keep the public safe, who saw that as a career in its own right. 2. Those who joined with an eye to a career path to the top, the qualification for which didn't include any ability to perform the function at 1. and 3. Freemasons, whose path to the top was smoothed from the outset.

This is what blesses many forces, perhaps now coming to an end, with senior officers who have little operational experience, and through a career have spent as little time at the sharp end as possible ! Many of these people have the butterfly syndrome where their path to the top has seen them in many roles for a short time until their next step up the ladder and where officers in their department breathe a collective sigh of relief when they move on !

There are a number of cases in the press where senior officers who fill the characteristics outlined above have sadly been found wanting when the brown stuff has hit the whirly thing !

I guess those characteristics in modern days introduce a 4th category of officer. That would be some minority or other (preferably) who is utterly PC and who has kept away from any controversy in any form but ticks a number of boxes, again none of them relating to any desire or ability to Police.

Having said all the above, as Derek will tell you, there are huge numbers of seriously decent and good guys and girls looking after us as best as their numbers allow. The above comments do not take anything away from the gratitude that we owe people who are willing to put their head above the parapet !!

The only thing I’d say with a degree of knowledge is that there are some really top class Chief Constables about. Mike Barton at Durham, Andy Rhodes at Lancs. Mike Cunningham, formerly Staffordshire, HMIC and now head of the College of Policing, and the late Alf Hitchcock are just a few - all who I knew personally as I worked with or for them at Blackpool. There are also some really talented people coming in through Direct Entry, which whatever ones view has really shaken things up. 

One thing I never saw was an influence of Freemasonry on the service - and I’m from a family with a strong tradition in the craft, although I never became one myself. It was certainly never driving things here on the Island.

you are absolutely on the money about the good people that keep this island safe though. Some wear many hats across specialist roles as well as carrying out their core duties too. Top people.

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I guess the freemasonry thing Derek depends on which force you worked in !!!!

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Can't help thinking that the Police service didnt do itself any favours when it positively discriminated in favour of university graduates with fast track promotion opportunitirs without merit.

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