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1 hour ago, asitis said:

Clearly you have never done any Police work then !

The gang wars in London at the moment are demonstrably young black males in their predominance, why then would you waste resources on other groups trying to validate some statistical evidence which does not exist. I was involved in the 70's when the same gang culture existed with Yardie gangs who were generally slightly older and of West Indian origin and clearly did not want the Police to interfere with their activities which involved drugs, prostitution and turf war violence. Nothing has changed except perhaps the protagonists now are slightly younger ! Society has done those dead young men and their families no favours by pandering to the PC brigade !

The politicians daren't talk about it, senior Police officers daren't address the issue, which is all a big let down for those mothers grieving at London mortuaries ! Until you've been there and seen it first hand shove your PC where the sun don't shine !!

Well, apart from ten years in New Scotland Yard.

As a computer nerd I grant you....

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49 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

So alientating a large population of people (who are already suspiscious of the police and authorities in general because of the way that community is treated by said police and authoritues) is going to make things better...interesting.

 

lock them up........

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4 hours ago, RIchard Britten said:

So alientating a large population of people (who are already suspiscious of the police and authorities in general because of the way that community is treated by said police and authoritues) is going to make things better...interesting.

As for your Vietnam-esque "You weren't there man" theatrics, were you actually there and in what capacity?

The answer about being there is yes yes and yes, you don't solve a problem by appeasement and trying to deny it exists, yes we did and do alienate communities, but many within those communities didn't want to live by the law, and still don't, and would rather cry racism or being picked on than admitting there is problem in their midst, and all this softly softly stuff is getting us nowhere, it is getting a large number of young people killed !

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Just now, asitis said:

The answer about being there is yes yes and yes, you don't solve a problem by appeasement and trying to deny it exists, yes we did and do alienate communities, but many within those communities didn't want to live by the law, and still don't, and would rather cry racism or being picked on than admitting there is problem in their midst, and all this softly softly stuff is getting us nowhere, it is getting a large number of young people killed !

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As for your Vietnam-esque "You weren't there man" theatrics, were you actually there and in what capacity?

The hyberbole....it's over 9000!!!!

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5 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

The hyberbole....it's over 9000!!!!

Please expand on where I have over exaggerated an issue !

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14 minutes ago, asitis said:

Please expand on where I have over exaggerated an issue !

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...but many within those communities didn't want to live by the law...

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...and all this softly softly stuff is getting us nowhere...

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...getting a large number of young people killed !

Essentially, your entire post is just one big exasperated outburst of nonsense.

Shall we start rounding up black teens and put them in camps?

 

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As for your Vietnam-esque "You weren't there man" theatrics, were you actually there and in what capacity?

 

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5 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

Essentially, your entire post is just one big exasperated outburst of nonsense.

Shall we start rounding up black teens and put them in camps?

 

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No I certainly wouldn't agree with your suggestion to round up black teens and putting them in camps !

My suggestion would be intelligence led policing targeting a possible offender profile, and ignoring the outcry if that offender profile would suggest any particular race / colour etc !

The gang culture can be disrupted if we have the political will to do it, and if that saves one life, then the outcry that may accompany robust policing will have been worth it !

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7 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

Shall we start rounding up black teens and put them in camps? 

This isn't what he's saying though, is he? You're making things up again. The facts are hardly "nonsense." Typical SJW... 

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15 minutes ago, quilp said:

 Typical SJW... 

Muppet Bingo!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

“Peterson’s secret sauce is to provide an academic veneer to a lot of old-school rightwing cant, including the notion that most academia is corrupt and evil, and banal self-help patter,” says Southey. “He’s very much a cult thing, in every regard. I think he’s a goof, which does not mean he’s not dangerous.”

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17 minutes ago, asitis said:

No I certainly wouldn't agree with your suggestion to round up black teens and putting them in camps !

My suggestion would be intelligence led policing targeting a possible offender profile, and ignoring the outcry if that offender profile would suggest any particular race / colour etc !

The gang culture can be disrupted if we have the political will to do it, and if that saves one life, then the outcry that may accompany robust policing will have been worth it !

Good and sensible posts, asitis.

It always intrigued me that when the violent crime figures revealed a high rate of black offenders, not least in black on black gang crime, this was held up as proof of the police being institutionally racist, particularly if the police then targeted preventive measures, stop and search etc, at the black community. It seemed that it never crossed the minds of the pc liberals that by proportion of population, perhaps just maybe, most crimes were actually committed by blacks. It seemed less controversial to blame the police rather than confront the reality staring them in the face. This goes for so many other issues too such as grooming vulnerable young girls for sex and Islamic terrorism.

There is simply insufficient sanction. "Treat 'em nice and they'll be good." seems to be all they can come up with.

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3 minutes ago, woolley said:

There is simply insufficient sanction. "Treat 'em nice and they'll be good." seems to be all they can come up with.

"Treat 'em like shit and wonder why they are angry with us"...didn't exactly out how you wanted it to either...

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11 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

Muppet Bingo!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

“Peterson’s secret sauce is to provide an academic veneer to a lot of old-school rightwing cant, including the notion that most academia is corrupt and evil, and banal self-help patter,” says Southey. “He’s very much a cult thing, in every regard. I think he’s a goof, which does not mean he’s not dangerous.”

But this is typical liberal behaviour. Sit in a huddle and say this is old-school, old fashioned, outmoded, discredited etc. etc. thinking which we have swept away with our superior enlightened thinking. That's all very well until you go out and look at the blood on the streets. The results are just not forthcoming.

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1 minute ago, woolley said:

...the blood on the streets. The results are just not forthcoming.

You can always rely on certain "right leaning" posters to dial it up to 11.

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1 minute ago, RIchard Britten said:

"Treat 'em like shit and wonder why they are angry with us"...didn't exactly out how you wanted it to either...

So trying to single out and punish the guilty would be treating them like shit?

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Just now, woolley said:

So trying to single out and punish the guilty would be treating them like shit?

You mean the innocent until proven guilty?  Your post is a prime example of the flawed thinking of the hang 'em high right wingers.

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