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6 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

Like a reed in the wind...

racist...........

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Once the whole picture is available, it becomes clear that knife crime is usually associated with poverty and often with poor mental health, failing schools and a lack of economic opportunity. Ethnicity can be a marker of these circumstances, but it is not a cause. As the Croydon Central MP Sarah Jones, who chairs an all-party group at Westminster, argues, the most effective way of tackling the problem is not to treat it as a crime, but to start with its causes. A study as long ago as 2009 by the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies found that a crime-and-punishment approach – weapons confiscation schemes, tougher sentencing, metal detectors and zero tolerance – made little difference. Treating it as a health and social policy problem, by contrast, made an impact. Initiatives in London, echoed across Britain, recognise that. Intervening to counsel victims at their most vulnerable, sometimes when they are still in hospital, for example, has already proved effective in Scotland and Wales. So is supporting community work to promote a sense of safety. Early years intervention can reduce children’s exposure to violence and the likelihood that they will grow up to offend.

This is not rocket science: these are tried and tested solutions. But they are costly and long term, not the kind of policies that sit easily with the past seven years of austerity and the deep cuts in local government, social services and policing budgets. It looks very much as if the Home Office reluctance to produce the data helps to keep the scale and complexity of knife crime out of sight, sparing politicians the embarrassment of admitting that austerity is not cost-free.

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Credit your sources! Oh, I forgot. you only have the one.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/29/the-guardian-view-on-knife-crime-getting-the-facts

Typical apologist liberal guff. Lovely the way they assert: "And while in London knife crime victims are disproportionately black,....." they totally shy away from the corresponding fact that most of those who stabbed them are also black. Perhaps they think that evil goblins are doing it.

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23 minutes ago, woolley said:

Credit your sources! Oh, I forgot. you only have the one.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/29/the-guardian-view-on-knife-crime-getting-the-facts

Typical apologist liberal guff. Lovely the way they assert: "And while in London knife crime victims are disproportionately black,....." they totally shy away from the corresponding fact that most of those who stabbed them are also black. Perhaps they think that evil goblins are doing it.

Nah. The Evil Goblins are too busy running the EU.

Notice you totally shied away from the fact that outside the cities the victims are predominantly white. 

It was just to demonstrate that this thread is actually going nowhere. To wit:

On 4/4/2018 at 10:17 AM, P.K. said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/29/the-guardian-view-on-knife-crime-getting-the-facts

My solution?

I think the cause is down to lots of reasons hence I suspect, because I do not know, that there isn't a "one size fits all" type of solution.

I'm certain that cuts in police budgets, social services budgets, benefits etc etc have something to do with it. Basically a rise in poverty.

But they probably don't vote tory so fuck 'em a la Margaret Thatcher....

 

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1 minute ago, P.K. said:

 Notice you totally shied away from the fact that outside the cities the victims are predominantly white.

Oh well. That's all fine then.:wacko:

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6 minutes ago, woolley said:

Oh well. That's all fine then.:wacko:

As long as folks realise it's not a predominantly black problem then it's progress of a sort.

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17 minutes ago, P.K. said:

As long as folks realise it's not a predominantly black problem then it's progress of a sort.

Knife crime is very much a black problem though, moreover it's a black perpetrator on black victim problem substantially rooted in the gang culture, and if you don't accept that you are living on another planet. I realise it's hard to keep a grip on reality when you read the Guardian, but denying or minimising the problem will not make it better. The problem with the liberal approach is that it appears more acceptable to allow the carnage to continue rather than to hurt delicate sensibilities and "community cohesion" by trying to disrupt the perpetrators.

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7 hours ago, woolley said:

Typical apologist liberal guff.

So your saying that there is no link between poverty and lower social and economical mobility (such as the sink hole estates) and crime?

What is you plan, given the "hang em high" mentality is statistically proven by multiple sources to not be effective?

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6 hours ago, woolley said:

The problem with the liberal approach...

Clearly you choose to not understand the "liberal approach" because you believe it to be cuddles and sympathy.

The liberal approach is harder and will take more time because it involves investing in schools, programs and development.  You (as in the "hang em high" brigade) want a quick fix which has been proven time and again to not work and make things worse.

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14 hours ago, P.K. said:

 Treating it as a health and social policy problem, by contrast, made an impact.

yes by locking them all up......

the name change did zero.......

if it works so well, then these non-working people should be moved out of london and sent to glasgow.........

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1 hour ago, RIchard Britten said:

Clearly you choose to not understand the "liberal approach" because you believe it to be cuddles and sympathy.

The liberal approach is harder and will take more time because it involves investing in schools, programs and development.  You (as in the "hang em high" brigade) want a quick fix which has been proven time and again to not work and make things worse.

wasn't a problem when boris was in charge......

these estates have had billions spent on them........time to get rid.......

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corbyn wants an election- and they call this news?????????????????????????????????

:lol:

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if corbyn calls for a vote of no confidence and loses should he step down...........

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Corbyn is doing a wonderful job of making a Labour Government an impossibility, I would have thought you'd have wanted him to stay leader forever.

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