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1 minute ago, quilp said:

And a few presidents before Obama too...

Although, the difference between Obama and Trump, is that Obama actively attempted to be bring in sensible gun control measures, and Trump actively ran on a Pro-gun/Pro-NRA/Anti-gun control platform.

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7 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

Although, the difference between Obama and Trump, is that Obama actively attempted to be bring in sensible gun control measures, and Trump actively ran on a Pro-gun/Pro-NRA/Anti-gun control platform.

well he talked a lot, but did nothing like the rest.....

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It is a failure of Obama that he wasn't able to address this. Whilst he was thwarted regularly by the Republicans in his attempts, I can't help thinking that a great President - a Lincoln or a Roosevelt would have found away to convince them of the need for change. 

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4 minutes ago, Declan said:

It is a failure of Obama that he wasn't able to address this. Whilst he was thwarted regularly by the Republicans in his attempts, I can't help thinking that a great President - a Lincoln or a Roosevelt would have found away to convince them of the need for change. 

Well they would have had the advantage of being white...plus the Republicans were in the majority in the Senate and the House.  Add in the fact that the NRA is a major Republican donator.

Obama could have shat out pure gold and that wouldn't have made a difference in the gun debate.  While the gun lobby has the money to "enforce" policy via lobbying and donations, the gun problem in America is never going away.

Don't forget after Sandy Hook, local gun sales went up because people wanted "protection".

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Obama went ahead with the fallacy he could introduce stricter laws, knowing full well it was an impossible task. It was a red-herring, a political sticking-plaster. That country is awash with legally and illegally held weaponry. Too mammoth a task to undertake, too much opposition to overcome. 

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14 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

Well they would have had the advantage of being white...plus the Republicans were in the majority in the Senate and the House.  Add in the fact that the NRA is a major Republican donator.

Obama could have shat out pure gold and that wouldn't have made a difference in the gun debate.  While the gun lobby has the money to "enforce" policy via lobbying and donations, the gun problem in America is never going away.

Don't forget after Sandy Hook, local gun sales went up because people wanted "protection".

your a bit racist saying non-whites aren't up for the job.....

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10 minutes ago, RIchard Britten said:

"...too soon to talk about gun control."

Strange how it keeps happening and its "never time to talk about it".

You're right, but have you envisaged the difficulties in enforcing the necessary changes? Would those necessary changes make any difference to weapons that are off the record and readily available if someone seriously wants one? Bad people are gonna do bad things. Then the issue raises it head again every time some nutcase decides to go rampage and politicians make mileage out of it only for it to go on the back-burner till the next time. 

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3 minutes ago, quilp said:

You're right, but have you envisaged the difficulties in enforcing the necessary changes? Would those necessary changes make any difference to weapons that are off the record and readily available if someone seriously wants one?

This is a good point it's hard to do and wont stop 100% of gun crime so it's probably not worth doing anything at all.

While we're at it almost all crimes still happen to some degree so we should probably just get rid of all laws because they don't stop 100% of crime, then at least we can save money not having a legal system.

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