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1 hour ago, Derek Flint said:

I am full time.

its a good deal less than the figure above that I will be paid.

I'm happy with that, so not sure what the issue is?

 

The issue is that you may be getting sold down the river before you even start.

I posted the pay scales for I think) last year, so even if you were to start ( as is probably only fair) on the bottom increment. you would be getting more than you have hinted at.#

As far as I know, an HEO post carries the same pay level regardless which division you are in.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, gettafa said:

Hey Derek, if you can get managers to actually manage (ie 'lead') rather than do stuff like fanny about and firefight complaints with bs and wriggling off the hook, then you are worth every penny.

There needs to be a good team leading our wonderful hospital that makes the staff feel they are appreciated, as the vast, vast majority of the public feel.

Not sure if that is above your remit, but just thought I'd say it anyway.

:rolleyes:

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On ‎25‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 2:33 PM, parchedpeas said:

People like Derek and Stu Peters stick their heads above the parapet and post under their own names and we shoot them to pieces on here. I always think that's pretty harsh and that this place is better for having such commentators on here. Really, we should be ranting at the rest of the bunch who take the government shilling and don't even try and justify themselves.

Just spotted this post.

I don't think anyone is having a go at Derek Flint for applying for and obtaining a job at Nobles. Any flack is directed at the system that allows this to happen.

As for Stu Peters, the vitriol is appalling. The guy does a sterling job on the radio and in my view is completely under utilised. I don't know why he isn't given more airtime.

He would probably not know me now but I remember him in his Taxi days, so I am not bulling up a mate for the sake of it, he really is wasted, talent wise.

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12 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Just spotted this post.

I don't think anyone is having a go at Derek Flint for applying for and obtaining a job at Nobles. Any flack is directed at the system that allows this to happen.

 

Allows what to happen?

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9 minutes ago, notwell said:

Allows what to happen?

I'm fucked if I'm going to be bothered having to explain that comment. You know the score. Derek is a sound bloke, so why should people feel they can't comment on a system they feel is not in the best interests of the taxpayer, just because he was in the Police force? 

I have no issue whatsoever with DF so I hope people don't think I am try to diss the guy. I'm pretty sure he does not think that I am.

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I don't get your point about "the system".

It isn't "the system" that has allowed DF to leave a public sector job and take up a civil service job.

It's called a democracy.    The way you worded it came across that if "the system" was different DF would be excluded from working elsewhere in government.   Or am I missing your point? 

 

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Just now, notwell said:

I don't get your point about "the system".

It isn't "the system" that has allowed DF to leave a public sector job and take up a civil service job.

It's called a democracy.    The way you worded it came across that if "the system" was different DF would be excluded from working elsewhere in government.   Or am I missing your point? 

 

You are missing the point, yes. What the fuck has democracy got to do with it. Seems like you are playing a game here TBH. I don't know why though.

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2 hours ago, dilligaf said:

The issue is that you may be getting sold down the river before you even start.

I posted the pay scales for I think) last year, so even if you were to start ( as is probably only fair) on the bottom increment. you would be getting more than you have hinted at.#

As far as I know, an HEO post carries the same pay level regardless which division you are in.

 

 

You might be right, but it’s a fair days pay in the current climate. 

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2 hours ago, dilligaf said:

You are missing the point, yes. What the fuck has democracy got to do with it. Seems like you are playing a game here TBH. I don't know why though.

I just didn't understand the point you were making when you said " any flack is directed at the system that allows this to happen "

Allows what? !?!??!

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On 25 November 2017 at 9:27 AM, Manximus Aururaneus said:

Again I mostly agree with you, as it happens I place a higher emphasis on Care than does the average hospital manager I can assure you.

But nevertheless I do not believe that my argument has 'fallen down' as you state - if it had, Nobles would not be understaffed in critical positions, but it is, that is simple fact. LaingBuisson have stated this as an international problem for years - it is not my personal argument.

It is the case that a number of recent high-level job adverts had no applicants. None. 

Pay and T&C's are of course not the only issues, career progression and family relocation (comparative) complexity also feature, all well known Island issues. 

The pay and T&C issue did not start at Nobles of course, it was started by John Prescott in 2001 when he accused hospital Consultants of spending 'more time on the golf course than with patients' and that he would 'make them clock in and out like everyone else' - The subsequent 'New Consultants Contract' was pretty much forced on the profession by Tony Blair and Gordon Brown during 2002/3 - in short, it paid them for what they attended not what they achieved, and hey ho, John Prescott's accusation backfired spectacularly when it turned out that the Consultants had in fact been giving time way above their contracted hours but now the 'clocking' system paid them for it! (figures later emerged to show that the Consultants were on average being contracted for 10 sessions (40 Hours) but were in fact voluntarily working just under 13 sessions). Balls up of the first order by Prescott and Brown, hospital pay bills rocketed and have been on an upward spiral ever since.

Net result, many of the 'Caring' individuals left the profession (as you correctly state), many are still doing so, and the ones left to pick up the pieces are so overworked that 'Caring' becomes an ever harder to achieve objective when you are simply mentally and physically 'wiped out'. 

Apologies, I think I misunderstood your perspective originally - I assumed you were implying that it was a given / a good thing that Nobles has to 'compete' in this way. From this post though it is clear that we agree, doing so (trying to commercialise care) is what largely created the current problems in the first place, and that persisting with that methodology is only going to make things worse - at least in terms of care. 

Why is it that so few people see this when the consequences are so clear? 

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21 hours ago, maynragh said:

Apologies, I think I misunderstood your perspective originally - I assumed you were implying that it was a given / a good thing that Nobles has to 'compete' in this way. From this post though it is clear that we agree, doing so (trying to commercialise care) is what largely created the current problems in the first place, and that persisting with that methodology is only going to make things worse - at least in terms of care. 

Why is it that so few people see this when the consequences are so clear? 

Thank you. Actually I think that it is a 'Given' (and will not revert) - but being a 'Given' does not necessarily equate with 'Good'.

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On 27 November 2017 at 9:32 PM, Manximus Aururaneus said:

Thank you. Actually I think that it is a 'Given' (and will not revert) - but being a 'Given' does not necessarily equate with 'Good'.

It is a given if the public accept it as they appear to be happy to do on the IOM that's for sure. I don't think all national health services are going this way though so I'm not sure if it's inevitable. Health care is always going to cost a lot while it relies on so many humans (who knows how long that will carry on), but that doesn't mean it has to be expensive if you catch my drift! ;-)

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