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To be honest as an employer in the private sector if I had Derek's CV across my desk there is not a chance we would have looked at employing him. It would not have been the police background but simply the memories of that TV program where he appeared happy to pimp out his daughter. Any respect I should have had for the person and position went out of the window that day as either he chose to ignore what appeared very apparent whilst the gifts rolled in or he genuinely did not recognise what was going on. Neither were attributes you would want in a police officer or would I want as attributes in an employee.  

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14 minutes ago, Lost Login said:

To be honest as an employer in the private sector if I had Derek's CV across my desk there is not a chance we would have looked at employing him. It would not have been the police background but simply the memories of that TV program where he appeared happy to pimp out his daughter. Any respect I should have had for the person and position went out of the window that day as either he chose to ignore what appeared very apparent whilst the gifts rolled in or he genuinely did not recognise what was going on. Neither were attributes you would want in a police officer or would I want as attributes in an employee.  

Classic MF thread 

Is she still popular in Japan now she’s over 18? 

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1 hour ago, Lost Login said:

To be honest as an employer in the private sector if I had Derek's CV across my desk there is not a chance we would have looked at employing him. It would not have been the police background but simply the memories of that TV program where he appeared happy to pimp out his daughter. Any respect I should have had for the person and position went out of the window that day as either he chose to ignore what appeared very apparent whilst the gifts rolled in or he genuinely did not recognise what was going on. Neither were attributes you would want in a police officer or would I want as attributes in an employee.  

Well, she's living and working in London, doing social media contracts for some big companies, and working part time for a PR company that specialises in brands and influencers. Worked in USA, Europe and Dubai too,  So despite my shitty judgement the plan seems to have paid off. 

You've no idea what steps were taken behind the scenes to ensure her wellbeing and safety - and a very limited understanding on how TV operates. Think 'Panorama' 'Paradise Papers' and 'Edit" and you might get a better idea. One of the greatest bits of learning in PR I ever had. BBC by coincidence too! 

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12 minutes ago, Albert Tatlock said:

Good for her. Sounds like you managed and protected her well.

I suspect she might return here as a star one day...hopefully PR'ing the island in some way with the contacts she makes on the journey.

Its an interesting one Albert - At the level she is operating I can't see it. It had got to the stage that she was there once a month really had to be there. The opportunities are terrific and she can now respond to the short notice stuff that comes up that she previously missed. 

Ironically, my son was the one that ended up in Japan. He's out there teaching, and similarly loving every minute. I've now a better understanding of the drain of young talent off Island for sure. No idea how that gets reversed. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

 

Well, she's living and working in London, doing social media contracts for some big companies, and working part time for a PR company that specialises in brands and influencers. Worked in USA, Europe and Dubai too,  So despite my shitty judgement the plan seems to have paid off. 

You've no idea what steps were taken behind the scenes to ensure her wellbeing and safety - and a very limited understanding on how TV operates. Think 'Panorama' 'Paradise Papers' and 'Edit" and you might get a better idea. One of the greatest bits of learning in PR I ever had. BBC by coincidence too! 

I am glad she is doing well and that would be the case of whoever's child it was but that does not alter the fact that you seemed perfectly happy for your daughter when she was 14 to dress and act in a manner that would appeal to men of a certain age and persuasion. In fact that from the program you seemed to actively encourage provided the gifts rolled in. That jarred at the time very heavily with some of the messages you put were putting out in your day job. But as I say I am happy that she is doing well know and that she gained more positives out of the experience than negatives. I have to admit some of the things she has said in some of her videos about the time though would make me feel uncomfortable as a parent but we are all different and there is set rules on getting parenting right or wrong.

You are right I have no idea what steps were taken behind the scenes to ensure her well being but where you are wrong is to state that I have very limited how TV operates. That is a total presumption and guess work on your behalf, and actually totally wrong, and I find it a little worrying after 25 years in a police force that you still have a mind set of jumping to conclusions without any evidence or facts or that you could forget your training so quickly.  

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1 minute ago, Albert Tatlock said:

It's not that hard. We pay people to study the degrees we need.

And in terms of grants and loans if you come back to the Island x% gets written off every year you work here, if you stay across you have to repay on the standard basis. Make it financially beneficially to come back. Wales have a scheme which encourages welsh students to learn welsh and go to university in Wales by giving them a grant if they do a course unit in welsh. It works in that  it encourages a fair few to carry on learning welsh and keeps students in wales.

There is another big issue and that is at university you will have got a whole new group of friends and possibly by the third year shacked up fairly permanently with one. OK when you leave University you disperse but it may be hard to come back to the Island and leave that behind especially if you have to persuade the person you are living with that they should move here. That though is another topic

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27 minutes ago, Lost Login said:

I am glad she is doing well and that would be the case of whoever's child it was but that does not alter the fact that you seemed perfectly happy for your daughter when she was 14 to dress and act in a manner that would appeal to men of a certain age and persuasion. In fact that from the program you seemed to actively encourage provided the gifts rolled in. That jarred at the time very heavily with some of the messages you put were putting out in your day job. But as I say I am happy that she is doing well know and that she gained more positives out of the experience than negatives. I have to admit some of the things she has said in some of her videos about the time though would make me feel uncomfortable as a parent but we are all different and there is set rules on getting parenting right or wrong.

You are right I have no idea what steps were taken behind the scenes to ensure her well being but where you are wrong is to state that I have very limited how TV operates. That is a total presumption and guess work on your behalf, and actually totally wrong, and I find it a little worrying after 25 years in a police force that you still have a mind set of jumping to conclusions without any evidence or facts or that you could forget your training so quickly.  

In that case LL, if you are well versed in TV, then I'm surprised that the snapshot - as it was edited and presented has formed such a strong and lasting opinion with you? It was filmed about 8 years ago. It was a big learn for all of us - Beckii included, and likely helped her to be the media savvy operator she is today.  We actually walked out of the edit suite when presented with the finished product and were somewhat the casualties of very poor management advice. I don't think there is a clear comparator of circumstances before or since - it was a very interesting few years for sure. 

But for jumping to conclusions, I apologise. It would be interesting to swap notes on experiences sometime - I'm always up to learn more. 

 

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25 minutes ago, Lost Login said:

And in terms of grants and loans if you come back to the Island x% gets written off every year you work here, if you stay across you have to repay on the standard basis. Make it financially beneficially to come back. Wales have a scheme which encourages welsh students to learn welsh and go to university in Wales by giving them a grant if they do a course unit in welsh. It works in that  it encourages a fair few to carry on learning welsh and keeps students in wales.

There is another big issue and that is at university you will have got a whole new group of friends and possibly by the third year shacked up fairly permanently with one. OK when you leave University you disperse but it may be hard to come back to the Island and leave that behind especially if you have to persuade the person you are living with that they should move here. That though is another topic

Makes a lot of sense. But maybe there has to be an acceptance that people from the Island tend to travel - look at our seafaring days. Its always been common in Ireland for the youngsters to go out and see the world. 

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