thesultanofsheight 9,453 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, Swordfish said: Hopefully Howard gives the job to RC. The ensuing and embarrassing car crash would have him back out of government in about 4 weeks. This is a boomerang poisoned chalice that Howard can use as many times as he likes to beat the difficult ones into compliance. I’d agree with that there must be people literally bricking it waiting for the grim reaper to knock on their door and offer them the job. It’s basically the guarantee of no further career in Manx Politics for the duration of this term of Tynwald. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Uhtred 9,912 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 I see that Fat Boy Quayle is fully signed up to the Yes Minister Civil Service code...he had a “Full and Frank” discussion with dead loss Beecroft...ha! We all know what that means....”Clear your desk and be out of the building within 5 minutes!”. Pity he wasn’t full and frank 12 months ago. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dilligaf 9,381 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Uhtred said: Long overdue. Perhaps the exemplar in modern times of the mouthy Manx political gobshite with all the fucking answers when on the outside full of cheap sniping from the sidelines who, when given the task, is shown to be manifestly lacking in every respect. This woman has let the entire Island down through a combination of baseless arrogance and a talent vacuum. Voters of South Douglas take great note. Now Kate, sit down, shut up and fuck off. I agree to a point. However, When I saw her last walking through Nobles, she did not look at all well. If that is true then she has done the right thing as her health must come first. MHK / Minister is only a job, she can get another if she likes, but she only gets one life, so hopefully she can enjoy that, now she has quit Government. Square peg in a round hole in "Health Services" IMHO. But I wish her well. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 4,728 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, dilligaf said: I agree to a point. However, When I saw her last walking through Nobles, she did not look at all well. If that is true then she has done the right thing as her health must come first. MHK / Minister is only a job, she can get another if she likes, but she only gets one life, so hopefully she can enjoy that, now she has quit Government. Square peg in a round hole in "Health Services" IMHO. But I wish her well. Has she quit government or just done a Rob Callister? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dilligaf 9,381 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, finlo said: Has she quit government or just done a Rob Callister? Oh, I may have misread that then. I thought she was quitting altogether. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 4,728 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Oh, I may have misread that then. I thought she was quitting altogether. Press release is typically vague. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dilligaf 9,381 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Just now, finlo said: 5 minutes ago, dilligaf said: Oh, I may have misread that then. I thought she was quitting altogether. Press release is typically vague. But sounds like another " STFU" dilligaf situation. ( again ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thesultanofsheight 9,453 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, finlo said: Press release is typically vague. Not sure it is. Manx Radio are usually the laziest so you can assume this is probably a straight cut and paste from the Cabinet Office http://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/health-minister-resigns/ She has only resigned as health minister (yet) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lost Login 1,710 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 As people have mentioned there are several reasons why her resignation has been forced. She seems to have a pro longed period of ill health recently. She seems to have a problem with people wanting to work with her as in the last year two departmental members have quit, one of her party colleagues resigned and she appears to have tried to force out her chief executive. She also appears to be out of her depth but as the DHSS is basically a poisoned chalice of a job I would have thought Quayle and whoever might be the next CM might have wanted her to stay as Minister as ideally it is a job for somebody who is expendable at the next election. For all that many dislike Quayle with the poisoned chalice of being the DHSS minister he actually did a better job there than his predecessors and successor. The later has gone from being saint to sinner in less than a year. What though I can not see mentioned is that in the next meeting of Tynwald I believe that the proposed abortion bill is being brought forward and if abortion is legalised in the IoM and KB remained as Minister it would have been part of her remit. When there was a vote as to whether Allinson should be allowed to bring in a private members bill to amend the current act KB was one of three to oppose and she has been very coy about refusing to answer whether or not she was in favour of any amendments. Possibly this is a case of KB having to go as it was clear that the changes will be passed but the health minister was unable or willing to support and introduce the clinical procedures if there are changes to the current legislation. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trmpton 1,133 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 The grief she has had online for taking on a fairly impossible task and for ultimately making decisions based on the advise of civil servants who would have given the same advice to any minister, is pretty grim to be honest. I don’t blame her for standing down, and I can’t see all the armchair experts making it very likely that people will be queuing up to take the position nor stand for keys next time there is an election. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dilligaf 9,381 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, trmpton said: The grief she has had online for taking on a fairly impossible task and for ultimately making decisions based on the advise of civil servants who would have given the same advice to any minister, is pretty grim to be honest. I don’t blame her for standing down, and I can’t see all the armchair experts making it very likely that people will be queuing up to take the position nor stand for keys next time there is an election. You seem to have a short memory. KB could not wait to get the role of Minister for Health. She appeared to have quite a few grudges to bear and I think she got a massive eye opener when she finally got her feet under that table. Nobody should feel sorry for her in that respect, but if she is indeed in poor health, then going is the right thing to do. I mean going completely, not just leaving the ministerial role. We need people fit and healthy to command our ship, so anyone not fitting that bill should go. So are we now left with about 10 people ? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thesultanofsheight 9,453 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, Lost Login said: What though I can not see mentioned is that in the next meeting of Tynwald I believe that the proposed abortion bill is being brought forward and if abortion is legalised in the IoM and KB remained as Minister it would have been part of her remit. When there was a vote as to whether Allinson should be allowed to bring in a private members bill to amend the current act KB was one of three to oppose and she has been very coy about refusing to answer whether or not she was in favour of any amendments. Possibly this is a case of KB having to go as it was clear that the changes will be passed but the health minister was unable or willing to support and introduce the clinical procedures if there are changes to the current legislation. Very good point glad you brought it to our attention. . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thesultanofsheight 9,453 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, trmpton said: The grief she has had online for taking on a fairly impossible task and for ultimately making decisions based on the advise of civil servants who would have given the same advice to any minister, is pretty grim to be honest. She should have dealt with the civil servants. They are the problem, and they will remain the problem until dealt with. 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vikingdoom 58 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Whoever takes the job on next should talk to the shop floor staff not the management. These ministers are being very badly advised by people trying to protect their own little empires. They are not being told the truth about what is going on at the hospital and this is why we have another resignation. You will not learn about the problems by sitting in an office. Staff on the wards are extremely unhappy and instead of recruiting nurses we get more managers. People retiring with huge payouts return to fill the job they left, on a much inflated salary. This removes promotion prospects for others who then move away to get the recognition they deserve. We are losing nurses and gaining managers and you wonder why we are overspent each year. We spend massive amounts sending patients away instead of getting the specialists to come here for a fraction of the cost. Cuts are being made at the wrong end, open your eyes and talk to the people who actually do the work. 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dilligaf 9,381 Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 2 hours ago, thesultanofsheight said: I’d agree with that there must be people literally bricking it waiting for the grim reaper to knock on their door and offer them the job. It’s basically the guarantee of no further career in Manx Politics for the duration of this term of Tynwald. They made a mistake getting shut of David Anderson. ( or rather she did) As the song goes, "you don't know what you've got till it's gone " Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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