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14 hours ago, Max Power said:

I believe there was a tree on fire and there was an intention to restart the practice once the road was declared clear so there would have been some urgency involved. 

 

2 hours ago, Max Power said:

All course car drivers received training and assessment at Jurby apparently.  I believe they have to have a minimum of advanced motoring qualification? 

The urgency was probably to inspect the course to make sure it was safe to continue the practice session?

As I said straw clutching. 

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On 4/3/2019 at 11:59 PM, Max Power said:

 

Part of any urgency would probably be to see if the road could be cleared in order to either open it for practice to continue or to ensure that it will be able to be opened to traffic on time. There were also a lot of riders sitting at the side of the road and Marshals on the Mountain sitting in the cold evening air to consider, so a reasonable amount of urgency would be expected from them.

Will some one pass him a straw will ya? 

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So essentially it was because there was a tree on fire, and it was also to inspect the course - or was it as "man in pub" has said everyone knew it was a Manx boy and rational thought disappeared, or was it rogue Glen Tramman Marshal - anyway doesn't matter as Max believes that GT COC the only man charged with overall responsibility shouldn't be blamed or held responsible because errrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm just because.

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1 hour ago, gettafa said:

Someone should have told the deemster. He's gone away to have a jolly good think about that very matter.

Probably because, somewhat surprisingly, it’s not been drafted as an ‘exclusive jurisdiction’ clause.  I’m not a lawyer, but if you want to enforce jurisdiction, safer to write exclusivity into the terms. 

In fact, some of the other wording seems quite sloppy to me.  For instance, in the event of a red flag, riders are instructed to ride their machines ‘back’ to parc ferme; although elsewhere in the document it is made very clear that riders must not go the ‘wrong way’ around the course without proper instruction, telling them to go ‘back’ is not only ambiguous but potentially dangerous.

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The precedent was set years before when GT thought he’d think out the box and be dead clever by sending them the wrong way. An accident waiting to happen. And it surely did.. His record at other courses around the UK aren’t exactly exemplary. 

His fingerprints are all over this.  

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7 minutes ago, Gizo said:

But which was it then, tree on fire, clear the road, open the roads for traffic, or the poor souls on the mountain getting a chill that made a car travel in excess of 90mph to a death scene?  

More than likely a combination of all those factors?

7 minutes ago, Mr Helmut Fromage said:

So essentially it was because there was a tree on fire, and it was also to inspect the course - or was it as "man in pub" has said everyone knew it was a Manx boy and rational thought disappeared, or was it rogue Glen Tramman Marshal - anyway doesn't matter as Max believes that GT COC the only man charged with overall responsibility shouldn't be blamed or held responsible because errrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm just because.

I didn't say he shouldn't bear some of the responsibility as the man in charge, I did say that he shouldn't be fired.

2 minutes ago, Gizo said:

The precedent was set years before when GT thought he’d think out the box and be dead clever by sending them the wrong way. An accident waiting to happen. And it surely did.. His record at other courses around the UK aren’t exactly exemplary. 

His fingerprints are all over this.  

Gizo, riders were being returned wrong direction in 2008, maybe even earlier. GT wasn't involved then.

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27 minutes ago, bankerboy said:

although elsewhere in the document it is made very clear that riders must not go the ‘wrong way’ around the course without proper instruction....

This.

As I've suggested before, Mercer and the group wouldn't have set off in the reverse direction without being told to do so.

At the vicinity that they were being held after being red-flagged they would accept such instruction from Course Officials or a Marshal who the riders would have thought were acting with Race Control authority. Why wouldn't they?

No other riders or groups who had been pulled up were released contra-course.

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1 hour ago, Max Power said:

A lot of that changed years ago Roger, the fact remains that the course can never be realistically made totally safe. Every accident is different and it's only when an unusual occurrence becomes regular in any risk assessment for any activity (TT related or not) that actions may be taken. Most eventualities have been covered over the years but due to the nature of the course it is impossible to cover every single unforeseen incident. 

The answer would be to make the course like one huge short circuit with big gravel traps at every corner, remove trees, lamp posts, houses, walls, hedges etc. That would never happen. Even if it did, we'd still have incidents and probably fatalities. 

But wouldn`t every rider have insurance anyway ?

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