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1 hour ago, quilp said:

Wasn't there an uproar years ago when the dead rider was 'left' in someone's garden? 

Driveway iirc. Because there was no escape route.

The owners of the property complained until it was pointed out that they knowingly purchased a property on a very dangerous road-racing circuit. Probably for that very reason.

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21 minutes ago, P.K. said:

Driveway iirc. Because there was no escape route.

The owners of the property complained until it was pointed out that they knowingly purchased a property on a very dangerous road-racing circuit. Probably for that very reason.

Douglas corner KM?

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1 hour ago, Derek Flint said:

If you extrapolate the F1 catch fencing in front of the scoreboard on a straight bit of road, then it should at least be carried on all the way down Bray Hill and QB Road.

and in Union Mills, Crosby, outside the Hawthorne, Ballacraine, Black Dub, Glen Helen, Kirk Michael, Ballaugh, outside the Sulby Glen, and through the crossroads. Sulby Bridge, Ginger Hall, schoolhouse all the way through to the Hairpin, Creg, cronk ny Mona, signpost, Governors, and glencrutchery.

 

That'll be another ten million thank you very much.

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11 minutes ago, twinkle said:

That'll be another ten million thank you very much.

Just stick it on the prom bill. 

Joking apart, it might be what it takes.

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Are the course car drivers properly trained to drive at high speeds on closed roads

or just wannabe boy racers?

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2 minutes ago, Maxmann said:

Are the course car drivers properly trained to drive at high speeds on closed roads

or just wannabe boy racers?

Bit of a retarded question.

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2 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

Just stick it on the prom bill. 

Joking apart, it might be what it takes.

The barriers are there to protect boy scouts. Personally I would prefer a return to the old length of rope and red flag days that was when the TT was good and not all shit and English.

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12 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said:

I don't think bikes had actually yet gone the wrong way along the course at the time of the car incident.

It's a strange one, I suspect probably the car has gone wide and caught a stopped bike or someone got caught maybe while manovering a bike on the road after the red flag.

There was no need for a car anyway...we have travelling marshals to do this kind of inspection...especially so soon after a major incident.

 

11 hours ago, Albert Tatlock said:

As you are probably aware more than most, it's not a fatality till a doctor says so. That car must have left pretty sharpish after the red flag.

TMs still turn up at incidents with permission to move after a red flag with communication to marshals. They are capable of assessing the situation, making decidions, and can communicate that back to race control.

Things need to settle down after a red flag...sendings cars out is stupid IMO.

 

10 hours ago, Max Power said:

Correct. 

The above posts are exactly what is going to finish the TT. (sooner than some think)

The attitude that WE know best, because we always did it that way. WE also used to have a yellow duster to hand to show the riders they needed to slow down. 

 The "course cars", "inspection cars" etc, have always been CARS. For you two to decide that there should not have been a car on the "course" is plain stupid.( Shocked at "Max's comments)

The travelling marshals until very recently were just bike shop owners, ex motocross riders, friends of friends and ex racers who had to hang up their race gear through accident and injury.

They are not the people to decide what to do when tragedy happens ( as you both allude to ) they have a clearly defined role. ( limited at that )

The stuck in the mud (we have always done this or that) attitude is decades out of date. In todays society we cannot run such a dangerous "event" without the input and knowledge of the experts. Things change fast these days and the TT lot have to realise that.

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8 hours ago, CharlieBrown said:

The barriers are there to protect boy scouts. Personally I would prefer a return to the old length of rope and red flag days that was when the TT was good and not all shit and English.

Hate to be a pedant but i think the TT has always been English, it's just licensed to the IOM

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49 minutes ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

Hate to be a pedant but i think the TT has always been English, it's just licensed to the IOM

Are you sure about that?

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9 hours ago, dilligaf said:

 

 

The above posts are exactly what is going to finish the TT. (sooner than some think)

The attitude that WE know best, because we always did it that way. WE also used to have a yellow duster to hand to show the riders they needed to slow down. 

 The "course cars", "inspection cars" etc, have always been CARS. For you two to decide that there should not have been a car on the "course" is plain stupid.( Shocked at "Max's comments)

The travelling marshals until very recently were just bike shop owners, ex motocross riders, friends of friends and ex racers who had to hang up their race gear through accident and injury.

They are not the people to decide what to do when tragedy happens ( as you both allude to ) they have a clearly defined role. ( limited at that )

The stuck in the mud (we have always done this or that) attitude is decades out of date. In todays society we cannot run such a dangerous "event" without the input and knowledge of the experts. Things change fast these days and the TT lot have to realise that.

"We" do not yet know what happened and so  it is a bit previous to criticise until "we"  know  what actually happened ........ if "we" are ever told.

That said the change in the rules that allowed riders on sections of the course either before or after the site of an incident to return to the grandstand (including going the "wrong way") was , I suspect ,to ensure that riders were not left out on the course freezing their bits off for potentially hours (in the event of the police carrying out a full investigation in order to see if any individual was culpable).

Clearly,  IMO , to allow riders to return against the flow could be fraught with difficulty and perhaps, if racing/practice is terminated, riders should be 'sandwiched' between TM's travelling at a speed commensurate  with a cautious motorist on open roads  as should  any course car /TM  travelling in the  opposite direction.

I was on the mountain and a fair number of the riders in front of the initial incident  who were allowed to return to the grandstand were, IMO ,travelling at an excessive speed under 'stationary yellow's.

The new rule that all riders will have to wait until the road is cleared and the accident investigation is completed prior to them returning to the grandstand will probably result in long delays and those marshals on the mountain may well not be able to get away until after 11 pm ( no exaggeration , it happened).

I personally see no reason why those down track of a red flag incident should not  be allowed to return, in TM escorted convoy,  to the grandstand, and  once Race control has established ( beyond any doubt) that there is no ' traffic' on the corse to  allow riders  , again in convoy  at a speed set by Race control to return against the flow .

I also see no reason , if racing is terminated , and after the "red bib TM" l has  gone over the mountain, to allow the marshals to be convoyed off the mountain before the signage/cones  is/are  replaced  .

It is interesting to note that another new rule is that rather than passing information ( other than an "Incident") in relation to what is occurring via the Chief Sector Marshal marshals are now instructed to change channels on the 'tetra's' and notify 'race control' direct.    

There may be a reason  for this change but I suppose it ensures that marshals on a sector are unaware of what is happening on  their own sector , presumably along with their CSM ?

dilligaf  ....... I have to say that  the course cars "don't hang around " either, when "carrying out their inspection" (as did some of those carrying VIP's in previous years ) and wonder if the speed is entirely necessary?

Just saying 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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she shows how short some of the blokes are.....

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topgear job next for her.....

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41 minutes ago, paswt said:

"We" do not yet know what happened and so  it is a bit previous to criticise until "we"  know  what actually happened ........ if "we" are ever told.

That said the change in the rules that allowed riders on sections of the course either before or after the site of an incident to return to the grandstand (including going the "wrong way") was , I suspect ,to ensure that riders were not left out on the course freezing their bits off for potentially hours (in the event of the police carrying out a full investigation in order to see if any individual was culpable).

Clearly,  IMO , to allow riders to return against the flow could be fraught with difficulty and perhaps, if racing/practice is terminated, riders should be 'sandwiched' between TM's travelling at a speed commensurate  with a cautious motorist on open roads  as should  any course car /TM  travelling in the  opposite direction.

I was on the mountain and a fair number of the riders in front of the initial incident  who were allowed to return to the grandstand were, IMO ,travelling at an excessive speed under 'stationary yellow's.

The new rule that all riders will have to wait until the road is cleared and the accident investigation is completed prior to them returning to the grandstand will probably result in long delays and those marshals on the mountain may well not be able to get away until after 11 pm ( no exaggeration , it happened).

I personally see no reason why those down track of a red flag incident should not  be allowed to return, in TM escorted convoy,  to the grandstand, and  once Race control has established ( beyond any doubt) that there is no ' traffic' on the corse to  allow riders  , again in convoy  at a speed set by Race control to return against the flow .

I also see no reason , if racing is terminated , and after the "red bib TM" l has  gone over the mountain, to allow the marshals to be convoyed off the mountain before the signage/cones  is/are  replaced  .

It is interesting to note that another new rule is that rather than passing information ( other than an "Incident") in relation to what is occurring via the Chief Sector Marshal marshals are now instructed to change channels on the 'tetra's' and notify 'race control' direct.    

There may be a reason  for this change but I suppose it ensures that marshals on a sector are unaware of what is happening on  their own sector , presumably along with their CSM ?

dilligaf  ....... I have to say that  the course cars "don't hang around " either, when "carrying out their inspection" (as did some of those carrying VIP's in previous years ) and wonder if the speed is entirely necessary?

Just saying 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, gettafa said:

Counter clockwise was used before that. Sidecars, Nicky Crowe incident IIRC.

If the bikes can't get past then at some stage there has to be a decision to go counter-clockwise.

(As someone has suggested, perhaps that should be open road speed and conditions.)

1st counter-clockwise return that I remember was after David Jeffries' accident in 2003.

I was at the QB with family and it was eerie to watch a slow procession of bikes going back to the Grandstand up Quarterbridge Road....

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