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16 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

My previous understanding of this is that riders were returned from the Glen Tramman area without authorisation from Race Control. Marshals at Glen Tramman made the decision without authorisation.

Other marshalling points where riders had been stopped (eg Sulby Bridge) held their riders pending Race Control decision. If there are loose cannons out on the circuit the C of C may not have known about it?

It might be best to wait until further facts become available?

It's conceivable that something like that could happen. God knows there are enough fucking Hi-Viz Hitlers out there  every TT. They can't wait to wield their 'power' (as they see it). 

If any marshals were responsible then hopefully they get the arse sued off them too! 

The TT is a power trip for two many of these fucking clowns. 

It's only a matter of time until "The Big One" when there will be 10+ fatalities in a single incident - they'll be scrambling away from their Hi-Viz and thermos flasks quicker than rats off a sinking ship. The Mercer incident should be considered a warning shot for what's yet to potentially come. 

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52 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

My previous understanding of this is that riders were returned from the Glen Tramman area without authorisation from Race Control. Marshals at Glen Tramman made the decision without authorisation.

Other marshalling points where riders had been stopped (eg Sulby Bridge) held their riders pending Race Control decision. If there are loose cannons out on the circuit the C of C may not have known about it?

It might be best to wait until further facts become available?

Absolutely 100% correct.

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I am so glad that at least liability has been admitted.    This was an avoidable accident.    I hope Steve recovers soon.

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8 hours ago, dilligaf said:

If a rider who enters a life threatening race suffers a severe injury during that event gets paid millions of pounds in compo, then the TT and similar events need to stop, unless the compo is paid out without the taxpayer or motorist having to pay for it.

The ACU may or may not have admitted liability , but the riders are also aware of procedure. They do not take instruction from a marshall to travel in reverse direction, unless they are escorted front and rear by TMs. So many things wrong with this case, that should not be smoothed over by a big payout. Where is the line drawn. ?

What did the families of Mac Hobson and his passenger get ? AFAIK it was fuck all. Almost 300 have died on the mountain course and little was ever done for the families left behind.

What did the family of the rider in KM get when a marshall ran out in front of him, killing them both ???

Situation is mental.

 

ACU will have Insurance in one form or another. What I’ve written applies to any personal injury claim.

Remember, apart from the jurisdiction application, Mercer hasn’t issued his claim yet and nothing is in front of the courts.

Im not commenting on the rights or wrongs of his claim, but causation is still to be decided, including contributory negligence.

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8 hours ago, foxdaleliberationfront said:

It's conceivable that something like that could happen. God knows there are enough fucking Hi-Viz Hitlers out there  every TT. They can't wait to wield their 'power' (as they see it). THEY ARE THERE FOR A REASON, ONLY FOOLS LIKE YOU CONTINUALLY THROW INSULTS AT THEM

If any marshals were responsible then hopefully they get the arse sued off them too! DID YOU APPLY TO BE A MARSHAL AND GET REJECTED

The TT is a power trip for two many of these fucking clowns. YOU DEFINITELY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MARSHALS. GET OVER IT, YOU'LL NEVER BE ONE

It's only a matter of time until "The Big One" when there will be 10+ fatalities in a single incident - they'll be scrambling away from their Hi-Viz and thermos flasks quicker than rats off a sinking ship. The Mercer incident should be considered a warning shot for what's yet to potentially come. WHY "POTENTIALLY"

 

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There unfortunately no cure for stupidity or repressed anger, foxy should get his blood pressure checked out.

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Someone needs to get out to occupied Foxdale with a defibrillator I reckon.

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I can see why the acu would want it here

ACU indemnity to marshals assocaiation based in iom.

Most witnesses based in iom. 

Different protocols on disclosure and litigation funding

Judicial familiarity (new deemster needham used to be coroner of inquests) with statute empowered closed roads racing 

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I think the questions that need answering are

1. Some-one told Steve Mercer and the other riders to travel back the wrong way. Who?

2. Should Steve Mercer and the other riders have listened, traveled back the wrong way with no Travelling Marshal, past other riders that were not doing the same and i understand going at a fairly fast speed.

4. Should the Course Car have been traveling at very high speed?

I find it hard to believe that Gary Thompson or any one at Race Control gave the order to travel back as riders at other parts of the track were not doing the same.

I think Steve Mercer and the other riders should have questioned the decision to return the wrong way with no Travelling Marshal. 

Human's unfortunately make mistake's, which is why we have insurance. I really hope Steve Mercer recovers and gets all the financial help he needs for the rest of his life. He's a lovely guy, and i certainly enjoyed watching him race. 

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16 hours ago, ian rush said:

I can see why the acu would want it here

ACU indemnity to marshals assocaiation based in iom.

Most witnesses based in iom. 

Different protocols on disclosure and litigation funding

Judicial familiarity (new deemster needham used to be coroner of inquests) with statute empowered closed roads racing 

From the newspaper report most witnesses are UK based.

Judicial familiarity and then some - this is the Isle of Man. Plus the deemsters used to be listed  as patrons of the races, certainly the MGP.

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Should be in the U.K. to ensure it is done fairly and aboveboard, besides the carpet is getting very lumpy.

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20 minutes ago, winnie said:

I think the questions that need answering are

1. Some-one told Steve Mercer and the other riders to travel back the wrong way. Who? - ALLEGEDLY THE MARSHALL ON THE SCENE

2. Should Steve Mercer and the other riders have listened, traveled back the wrong way with no Travelling Marshal, past other riders that were not doing the same and i understand going at a fairly fast speed. - NO, THEY KNOW THIS FROM THE PRE RACE BRIEFINGS

4. Should the Course Car have been traveling at very high speed? - WHY WOULDN'T IT. RESPONDING TO AN INSTRUCTION FROM RACE CONTROL

I find it hard to believe that Gary Thompson or any one at Race Control gave the order to travel back as riders at other parts of the track were not doing the same.

I think Steve Mercer and the other riders should have questioned the decision to return the wrong way with no Travelling Marshal. 

Human's unfortunately make mistake's, which is why we have insurance. I really hope Steve Mercer recovers and gets all the financial help he needs for the rest of his life. He's a lovely guy, and i certainly enjoyed watching him race. 

 

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I heard that radio contact between race control and the Marshalls was not implemented because they did not want family members of the racer who had died to hear it accidentally.   I heard this at the time, it certainly explains why there was a communication cock up.    

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11 minutes ago, hissingsid said:

I heard that radio contact between race control and the Marshalls was not implemented because they did not want family members of the racer who had died to hear it accidentally.   I heard this at the time, it certainly explains why there was a communication cock up.    

Notwithstanding the communication cock up, riders are instructed not to travel back along the course without supervision. Why on earth Steve Mercer went against this we'll probably never know

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