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15 hours ago, Manximus Aururaneus said:

Following my visits to Oradour-Sur-Glane

You have actually been there?!  Did you get any Pictures?!

I have heard that you can not enter the Ruins without Special Permission.

 

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13 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

At which point does something become a holocaust or classed as genocide? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

Should the death of a million  children in iraq due to sanctions a few years ago be classed as genocide? What lessons never to be forgotten were learned from that? When you now have the likes of israeli puppet nikki haley championing this going on in iran and venezuela right now. Taking pride in the "strangling of a country". What lessons were really learned, otherthan don't do it to a certain group anymore?

Furthers the Opinion that there is not just something Wrong with some of Us.

 

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The Rothchildes helped instrument the holocaust and Soros was a  Nazi collaborator, both are Jewish bankers. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGWizajL7tA

 

 

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10 hours ago, TheDruid-3X3 said:

You have actually been there?!  Did you get any Pictures?!

I have heard that you can not enter the Ruins without Special Permission.

 

3X3

Yes. (Three times). I was left to wander around alone (a bit disconcerting) and as I said, standing in that church looking at the kids pram in front of the altar was an immensely moving moment - something that I shall never forget. I don't know what the visiting rules are today (my visit was coming up for 30 years ago) - but there is * a full museum and education centre cleverly landscaped underground beneath the memorial. 

I will have to look for photos, they will be in a box somewhere, but to be honest it didn't really feel like a photo op situation, more a hair on end, spine tingling, feeling of disbelief and sadness.

* The website now says that a memorial centre was built in 1999 (i.e. after my visit) - I don't have any up to date information but here is some (plenty on Google)

https://www.oradour.info/appendix/howto.htm

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I did a Google for the Maps of Oradour-Sur-Glan and you can do Satellite Image Tour around the Site but will not left you go in to see the Ruins by Virtual Tour.

When you find the Photos, Please do Scan them and Post Them Here.

 

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Of course, the Allies were known to commit the occasional Atrocity.

Attached is a Picture of me in 2000 when I went to visit Japan and toured through the Hiroshima:

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I also went and visited Nagasaki.

Here is me at the Nagasaki Ground Zero Monument:

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The Nagasaki Museum is just a stones throw away to the South West.

 

3X3

 

 

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Is that a UFO in the Nagasaki image or a bit of your breakfast? 

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22 hours ago, quilp said:

Is that a UFO in the Nagasaki image or a bit of your breakfast? 

Might be some Small Bird or Crow flying by.

Or the Lens might have a Speck on it.

 

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On 2/3/2019 at 4:37 PM, TheDruid-3X3 said:

Of course, the Allies were known to commit the occasional Atrocity.

 3X3

 

 

Difficult to make objective judgements at this distance in time. Contemporarily it was seen as a good thing because it shortened the war, avoided the casualties of a heavily contested invasion and released over a hundred thousand allied prisoners of war who had been subjected to sub-human treatment, including beatings, forced labour verging on torture and approaching starvation. I had a close family member among them.

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/prisoners-of-war-of-the-japanese-1939-1945

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33931660

Of course, now in our time of the soundbite and limited attention spans, the young will generally know of the bombings and the "bastard Yanks" for doing it, but have very little grasp of the context.

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Fair comment "woolley" , I have posted before to recommend the book "A Doctor's War" by Aidan MacCarthy  GM who was a POW in Japanese hands and his survival of the horrors including surviving the horror of the  Nagasaki Atomic bomb.

 

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18 minutes ago, woolley said:

Difficult to make objective judgements at this distance in time. Contemporarily it was seen as a good thing because it shortened the war, avoided the casualties of a heavily contested invasion and released over a hundred thousand allied prisoners of war who had been subjected to sub-human treatment, including beatings, forced labour verging on torture and approaching starvation. I had a close family member among them.

https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/prisoners-of-war-of-the-japanese-1939-1945

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33931660

Of course, now in our time of the soundbite and limited attention spans, the young will generally know of the bombings and the "bastard Yanks" for doing it, but have very little grasp of the context.

But it wasn’t just Japan. Firebombing Dresden, the Dambusters, Berlin. There were lots of smaller instances as well, where civilians became collateral damage.

The winners write history.

 

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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

But it wasn’t just Japan. Firebombing Dresden, the Dambusters, Berlin. There were lots of smaller instances as well, where civilians became collateral damage.

The winners write history.

 

Of course they do. No argument there. That's the nature of war. Always was, is now and always will be.

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Some people need reminding, or even telling if they're too young to know, that the RAF also lost 55,000 aircrew over Europe during WW2.

Get them to count from one to 55k during a quiet period sometime.

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2 hours ago, John Wright said:

But it wasn’t just Japan. Firebombing Dresden, the Dambusters, Berlin. There were lots of smaller instances as well, where civilians became collateral damage.

The winners write history.

 

I don't recall Britain invading Poland in 1939?

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