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Population Policy and yet more Thomas waffle

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9 hours ago, MrPB said:

The new hospital was built with a projected population of 120,000 in mind I believe? It’s great that we have geared up to provide services to people who never came here. 

if you include the health tourists 120k might be faily close.

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On 4/10/2019 at 10:08 PM, emesde said:

"And now we know it is. 4th oldest population, apparently."

 

is this real or fake news ??

Over the last few years we have appeared at around number 11 or 12 in the world list ....how can we suddenly have jumped to no 4 unless a very high percentage of young people have suddenly left the Island, in which case there is an enormous problem to have suddenly caused this sort of result

The 11th or 12th is probably derived from the list of median ages, based on the 2016 Census (presumably after they discovered the missing children).  Listening to that clip of what Paul Craine said, he's actually referring to something slightly different, which is the proportion of those over 65 - and he's not really sure about that.  So there may not be any change.

 

On 4/10/2019 at 10:23 PM, finlo said:

Positively encouraged the elderly here in the 70's now it's biting them in the arse.

Actually encouraging people to retire here was mainly a feature of the 70s, and as already pointed out, someone who retired here at 65 in 1974 would be 110 now.  Or not.  From the 80s onwards, however there was more effort in expanding the finance sector and attracting people over to work there.  This meant the average age dropped by quite a bit over the following decades.

Unfortunately recent governments seem have forgotten the fact that if you want people to come over here to live, you have to make it a nice place to live in.

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Government only sees people as cash cows for it's bloated existence

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And increasing bloated existence at that. It's clearly the policy for growing the population. Lots of the private sector struggles to attract people here. So Govt steps in, creates and gives people jobs. Keeps the economy afloat.

Yeah, that'll work. Er.....

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What has this man ever achieved ?   He comes up with the weirdest of ideas, such as a leisure tax, he has said he has important matters in hand, such as rates review but nothing ever happens.   He is the biggest blogger in Tynwald and that is saying a lot.

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18 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

The 11th or 12th is probably derived from the list of median ages, based on the 2016 Census (presumably after they discovered the missing children).  Listening to that clip of what Paul Craine said, he's actually referring to something slightly different, which is the proportion of those over 65 - and he's not really sure about that.  So there may not be any change.

 

Actually encouraging people to retire here was mainly a feature of the 70s, and as already pointed out, someone who retired here at 65 in 1974 would be 110 now.  Or not.  From the 80s onwards, however there was more effort in expanding the finance sector and attracting people over to work there.  This meant the average age dropped by quite a bit over the following decades.

Unfortunately recent governments seem have forgotten the fact that if you want people to come over here to live, you have to make it a nice place to live in.

It is a nice place to live.

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Imho it's inconceivable that the largest political lobby on the island wouldn't be running the place....

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1 hour ago, 2112 said:

Again denials made that civil servants are running the island. 

 

Aren't they supposed to be? 

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As the Isle of Man population grows, we will need more, teachers, nurses and police officers, not more civil servants, according to the Policy and Reform Minister.

He's saying all the right things but the current numbers in the Cabinet Office would suggest otherwise. 

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He has no political mandate to 'grow the population'

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2 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

He has no political mandate to 'grow the population'

He doesn't have one to grow the CS either but it's still happening.

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4 hours ago, 2112 said:

Today’s little cracker from the Nations Propaganda Mouthpiece, yet again showing more spin, waffle and bullshit. Again denials made that civil servants are running the island. 

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/civil-servants-not-running-the-isle-of-man-says-minister/

There's a very interesting little remark in that audioclip where he said "There are civil servants who keep information from politicians".  It's a pity he wasn't picked up on it.  He also says that various topics have "Come to the fore because of the activities of people and their representatives", which suggests that public opinion is having some effect.and he expands on that in the video clip.  Which hints that at least some things happen in spite of the civil service rather than because of them (think of Allinson's Abortion Bill).

His assurance that there are "Some politicians who are on top of the political agenda at the moment" is hardly a complete and unambiguous endorsement of his colleagues, is it?  Again you get the impression that he feels there's only a few such as himself and Hooper prepared to actually push for changes while the rest just 'go with the flow' and do whatever the civil service tell them to do (he made similar remarks before he became a Minister).  It's a more revealing interview than a first reaction tells you.

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3 hours ago, Declan said:
5 hours ago, 2112 said:

Again denials made that civil servants are running the island. 

Aren't they supposed to be? 

Running maybe, not controlling.  And certainly not controlling with their own betterment as the first priority.

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2 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

He doesn't have one to grow the CS either but it's still happening.

Not on 'contracted bodies'

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