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1 hour ago, John Wright said:

There isn’t one, as long as the discount applies to everyone. In fact discounting is written into, and guaranteed by, the user agreement.

no reason, either, in law, why specific groups, students or pensioners, can’t be targeted. Or frequent sailors.

What I very carefully explained, about the 1960’s, was that the discount was funded by government and only applied to midweek return tickets starting off Island, ie to attract tourists. That would almost certainly be against competition law. Strangely, almost contrarily, a residents discount card wouldn’t be.

Presumably you mean air competition as the UA precludes other maritime operations.  

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20 minutes ago, woolley said:

The boomer generation don't NOW feel entitlement. They always have. It comes from post-war indulgence as children, solid home loans as young adults repaid with confetti due to rampant inflation enabling them to build substantial equity and easy pensions drawn for far longer than projected. Totally unfair on the young.  

To some extent it even extended a bit further back to those who were born during or just before the War[1], so too young to fight or be impacted much by it, but benefiting from the redistributive effects of rationing (which went on till the 50s) and the post-War NHS and education reforms.  These people were told that the War was about their future and their parents' generation certainly made a lot of sacrifices, not just in the War, but by paying the high taxes to enable the enormous investment that happened afterwards in the 50s and 60s.

Of course this sense of entitlement has been carefully cultivated by the British media, particularly the Press, something that doesn't alter as the years go by, because this is the generation that still buys printed newspapers.  And it is reinforced by constant attacks on those younger than themselves, so as to justify taking away all the advantages that they had.  The people that will take offence at absolutely anything spend the rest of their time denouncing others as snowflakes.

 

[1]  To some extent I think that 'War Babies' would be a better name for this generation, who 'didn't fight but saw all the war films'.  Baby boomers is basically a US coinage and derives from their different demographics and while those Brits born in the later part of the usual 1945-65 window assigned to 'Boomers' certainly got many of the benefits, some (such as lower retirement ages) have already gone for them.

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1 hour ago, woolley said:

Presumably you mean air competition as the UA precludes other maritime operations.  

Not necessarily. Manx residents could object. Tourists aren’t the users of an essential service, residents are.

And that’s a common misconception about the user agreement.

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26 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Not necessarily. Manx residents could object. Tourists aren’t the users of an essential service, residents are.

And that’s a common misconception about the user agreement.

Since when did Manx residents objecting ever change anything one iota?

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38 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

To some extent it even extended a bit further back to those who were born during or just before the War[1], so too young to fight or be impacted much by it, but benefiting from the redistributive effects of rationing (which went on till the 50s) and the post-War NHS and education reforms.  These people were told that the War was about their future and their parents' generation certainly made a lot of sacrifices, not just in the War, but by paying the high taxes to enable the enormous investment that happened afterwards in the 50s and 60s.

Of course this sense of entitlement has been carefully cultivated by the British media, particularly the Press, something that doesn't alter as the years go by, because this is the generation that still buys printed newspapers.  And it is reinforced by constant attacks on those younger than themselves, so as to justify taking away all the advantages that they had.  The people that will take offence at absolutely anything spend the rest of their time denouncing others as snowflakes.

 

[1]  To some extent I think that 'War Babies' would be a better name for this generation, who 'didn't fight but saw all the war films'.  Baby boomers is basically a US coinage and derives from their different demographics and while those Brits born in the later part of the usual 1945-65 window assigned to 'Boomers' certainly got many of the benefits, some (such as lower retirement ages) have already gone for them.

Yes. I could go on, as this has been a hobby horse of mine. Free university education with grants and living allowance for the academically able, and easily available (and real) apprenticeships. If not, many good occupations were accessible to learn on the job. If you got fed up with what you were doing, you could change direction and take up another position the same afternoon.

As they grew older, the boomer generation pulled up the ladder. Increasing regulation and bureaucracy led to requirements for degree level education for jobs that never applied in their own younger days. Force feeding of unsuitable candidates into higher education, resulting in a debt encumbered younger population who haven't a hope of buying property on sale at extortionate prices - largely by overoptimistic boomer vendors.

Then the wonders of globalisation whereby deregulated capital - owned largely by affluent boomers in the developed world - has flown out of mature industrial economies to have everything made where it is most efficient (i.e using cheap labour), denying the young the industries and jobs that had provided a good living to previous generations. Welcome to the graduate barista and burger flipper. Even some of the more exalted positions have pretty dire salaries for learned post graduate appointments. I know of plenty that pay experienced people around £30k p.a. A pittance for the study involved and the responsibility taken. It also seems that jobs don't have a graded salary anymore - even in the public sector. Adverts will ask for "expectations" from the candidates which gives the impression they are looking for the person who will work for the cheapest rate rather than the best person. How demotivating even before you start.

Yes. The only thing the boomers didn't have sorted was mortality. The luckier among the young will inherit - eventually. Provided mum and dad boomer don't hang on on the care home until they are a hundred and use up all the booty for themselves again.

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30 minutes ago, woolley said:

Yes. I could go on, as this has been a hobby horse of mine.

Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds
- Roger Mexico upon realising what he had unleashed

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1 hour ago, Roger Mexico said:

To some extent it even extended a bit further back to those who were born during or just before the War[1], so too young to fight or be impacted much by it, but benefiting from the redistributive effects of rationing (which went on till the 50s) and the post-War NHS and education reforms.  These people were told that the War was about their future and their parents' generation certainly made a lot of sacrifices, not just in the War, but by paying the high taxes to enable the enormous investment that happened afterwards in the 50s and 60s.

Of course this sense of entitlement has been carefully cultivated by the British media, particularly the Press, something that doesn't alter as the years go by, because this is the generation that still buys printed newspapers.  And it is reinforced by constant attacks on those younger than themselves, so as to justify taking away all the advantages that they had.  The people that will take offence at absolutely anything spend the rest of their time denouncing others as snowflakes.

 

[1]  To some extent I think that 'War Babies' would be a better name for this generation, who 'didn't fight but saw all the war films'.  Baby boomers is basically a US coinage and derives from their different demographics and while those Brits born in the later part of the usual 1945-65 window assigned to 'Boomers' certainly got many of the benefits, some (such as lower retirement ages) have already gone for them.

The main driver of/for entitlement was successive post war Labour governments in exchange for votes.

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Hmmmm. Not so sure about that, considering the Tories were in power from 1951 to 1964 which covered a good proportion of the boomer period. This included "Supermac" telling everyone they'd never had it so good and exhortations of the time to "have your babies now".

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1 hour ago, Bobbie Bobster said:

Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds
- Roger Mexico upon realising what he had unleashed

You know you love it really. :)

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Methinks there'll be a lot more monumentous moments involving taxpayer's best before this project is completed.

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On 7/17/2019 at 12:51 PM, Non-Believer said:

Methinks there'll be a lot more monumentous moments involving taxpayer's best before this project is completed.

http://www.iomtoday.co.im/article.cfm?id=49979&headline=We did not pay ferry dock vendor's legal fees&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2019

YOU ARE CORRECT !

and a very disingenuous reply as well. 

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15 minutes ago, asitis said:

Yes I saw that. "We haven't paid Peel Port's legal costs".

"We paid the legal costs of another Peel company".

Finest Sir Humphrey. They must love Harmer in that Department.

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