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11 minutes ago, CharlieBrown said:

They don't need to redo the harbour,  just buy a bendy boat.

Steamy tried that in the 80s, although they didn't know it was bendy when they bought it. Not much they haven't tried over the years.

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24 minutes ago, woolley said:

Steamy tried that in the 80s, although they didn't know it was bendy when they bought it. Not much they haven't tried over the years.

Wasn't that after a local firm of marine/naval architects had been involved? :ph34r:

As I see it, Douglas harbour's current design is simply an impedance to the efficient flow of modern logistics, in respect of the tonnage that every man and his dog are using elsewhere now. Things have moved on - unfortunately, Douglas harbour hasn't, in respect of the efficient shipping of freight and pax, which is why relatively specialised shipping is required, thus dispelling much interest from prospective operators.

If we want to take advantage of economies of scale, we need to be able to allow modern freight shipping in. A bit like the airport adapted to allow larger planes in. Cheaper fares?

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5 minutes ago, Non-Believer said:

 

If we want to take advantage of economies of scale, we need to be able to allow modern freight shipping in. A bit like the airport adapted to allow larger planes in. Cheaper fares?

But the obvious corollary to that is that we would have a less frequent service. Larger harbour, larger craft, finite market, as we have seen with Easyjet. So we could spend all of these millions and finish up with a boat 3 times a week in return for a fiver off the fare.

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Steam Packet to be sold is a peculiar emphasis. Steam Packet to be bought is much more honest. If more controversial. 

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2 hours ago, Rog said:

If you care to look back you'll find that Barrie raised the immigrant factor. 

Barrie's tangent notwithstanding, I think you'll find that the first mention of "immigration" was yours. Barrie's preceding comment about the NHS didn't even hint at the subject. (Unless it's been edited while I wasn't looking.)

5 hours ago, Rog said:

Come on, Barrie, don't be disingenuous. Although overloaded because of uncontrolled immigration the UK NHS IS a standard service...

What was that about "disingenuous"?

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We need to recognise that the fast craft are just political vanity projects. Get rid.

Im not sure what effect upscaling to 142m from 125m would have on Harbour manouverability at either Heysham or Douglas. The Sea Trucks operating out of Heysham are 142 as opposed to the Ben’s 125. But they don’t carry passengers and passage times are adjusted.

So 142 is a pretty standard size. But 125 isn’t rare. Condor operate one, as does the NZ navy and The Straitsman between North & South Island, just off the top of my head. 2 or 3 of the sea truck ones are chartered out to Stena.

2 Ben type boats with car side loading capacity as well as roro through the stern would suit our needs.

Its not about future proofing. It’s about service level, for residents and visitors alike.

Bigger ships with larger capacity are all well and good, but we can’t go down to fewer sailings. What justifies the sailings, and will continue to do so is being plugged into the national logistics service, every day.

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20 minutes ago, woolley said:

But the obvious corollary to that is that we would have a less frequent service. Larger harbour, larger craft, finite market, as we have seen with Easyjet. So we could spend all of these millions and finish up with a boat 3 times a week in return for a fiver off the fare.

But doesn't EasyJet have +90% seat occupancy? The issue is the pricing of the service, isn't it?  

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The more you dig into this deal the worse it looks. Steam Racket: Innefficient management, inefficient practices, overstaffed unionised workforce, possibility of hidden debts, old boats that instantly require renewing...etc...the real price looks like £400m.

I hope all this is considered when they debate it.

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6 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

But doesn't EasyJet have +90% seat occupancy? The issue is the pricing of the service, isn't it?  

Partly, but the issue is also frequency of service. Easyjet do not have the intensity of service on the routes where they have chased  away operators of smaller aircraft. The same would apply to sea services. Even with discounting there is only a finite market.

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JW is right. Shipping is just that. Security of transport, freight and supplies. Buying it clears the air and we will know who is the Daddy. 

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10 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said:

JW is right. Shipping is just that. Security of transport, freight and supplies. Buying it clears the air and we will know who is the Daddy. 

Especially when it fucks up....

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14 minutes ago, Barrie Stevens said:

JW is right. Shipping is just that. Security of transport, freight and supplies. Buying it clears the air and we will know who is the Daddy. 

Buying it doesn’t clear the air. Awarding a new user/Service level agreement does that.

Barries point about the EU and subsidy doesn’t arise as long as.

1. The service is put out to tender

2. There isn’t a subsidy.

But there are many ways round that.

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