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https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/manannan-to-resume-liverpool-sailings/

If, as we were told, the company was to be run at arms length from the government, why is Harmer being interviewed  about this and  stating that fares will now be more contained under the governments enlightened rule?.

It is not as if his department is a shining light in efficiency and good business practice.

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12 hours ago, ellanvannin2010 said:

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/manannan-to-resume-liverpool-sailings/

If, as we were told, the company was to be run at arms length from the government, why is Harmer being interviewed  about this and  stating that fares will now be more contained under the governments enlightened rule?.

It is not as if his department is a shining light in efficiency and good business practice.

Indeed. The whistle for the political football match has well and truly been blown.

And similarly of course the lobbying by the freight companies. Why didn't Harmer just simply say, sorry you have to talk direct with IOMSPCo, nothing to do with me.

COMIN has to make up it's mind how this is going move forward. They should simply agree the terms with IOMSPCo and then let IOMSPCo get on with it. All of this political interference at this early stage is storing up trouble. Every TD&H who thinks they are or have a special case in regard to fare reductions etc won't think twice about hammering on Harmer's door. 

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7 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Why didn't Harmer just simply say, sorry you have to talk direct with IOMSPCo, nothing to do with me.

You know why. Because none of these clowns can resist trumpeting that they’re “The Big I Am”. These reassurances that IOMSPC will be run at arms length from government are worthless.

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38 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

Indeed. The whistle for the political football match has well and truly been blown.

And similarly of course the lobbying by the freight companies. Why didn't Harmer just simply say, sorry you have to talk direct with IOMSPCo, nothing to do with me.

COMIN has to make up it's mind how this is going move forward. They should simply agree the terms with IOMSPCo and then let IOMSPCo get on with it. All of this political interference at this early stage is storing up trouble. Every TD&H who thinks they are or have a special case in regard to fare reductions etc won't think twice about hammering on Harmer's door. 

Of course there’s a simple explanation, one not requiring a paranoid conspiracy theory, or attacking government.

Its because, owned by Treasury, or privately, DoE is the regulator, setting things like maximum price increases, percentage of discounted fares, minimum service levels. That’s its job.

So, quite appropriate. 

I accept it’ll be interesting to watch the tensions between owner and regulator.

Im hoping that Treasury will sell off a substantial part of its shareholding, keeping a proportion and a golden share, to raise funds. Probably once we have accurate costings for the new boats.

£70 million minimum for boats is clearly way out. 3 years ago IoMSPCo was quoting £120-30m, Condor, itself up for sale, serving the CI with the Bens sister, Clipper, and fast craft, and Arrow on sub sub lease on standby, still owned by a cash strapped, frozen, McQuarrie, infrastructure investment vehicle, and up for sale, is saying it needs to build 2 new boats for £120m. Not that it has any chance of raising the funds.

What we mustn’t get into is the mess of Guernsey/Alderney who own Aurigny airline,  which loses money hand over fist, and can’t even manage to agree future service levels, or subsidy, for the £3million a year loss on the Guernsey Alderney and Alderney UK lifeline routes. That’s £3 million loss after all fares paid to cover essential life line services.

We May complain about flybe/Virgin Red, patient transfers, easyJet, open skies, etc, but we are in a far better position than that.

Nor must we get into the mess of Scotland and CalMac, 100% cost over runs on two new boats, 12 month minimum delivery delays, and all paid for by the taxpayer, because boats are owned by state owned CalMac Assets and an annual operating subsidy of £140 million, and projected Public Service Operational Subsidy over its next 8 year franchise, of nearly £1billion.

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27 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Of course there’s a simple explanation, one not requiring a paranoid conspiracy theory, or attacking government.

Its because, owned by Treasury, or privately, DoE is the regulator, setting things like maximum price increases, percentage of discounted fares, minimum service levels. That’s its job.

So, quite appropriate. 

I accept it’ll be interesting to watch the tensions between owner and regulator.

Im hoping that Treasury will sell off a substantial part of its shareholding, keeping a proportion and a golden share, to raise funds. Probably once we have accurate costings for the new boats.

£70 million minimum for boats is clearly way out. 3 years ago IoMSPCo was quoting £120-30m, Condor, itself up for sale, serving the CI with the Bens sister, Clipper, and fast craft, and Arrow on sub sub lease on standby, still owned by a cash strapped, frozen, McQuarrie, infrastructure investment vehicle, and up for sale, is saying it needs to build 2 new boats for £120m. Not that it has any chance of raising the funds.

What we mustn’t get into is the mess of Guernsey/Alderney who own Aurigny airline,  which loses money hand over fist, and can’t even manage to agree future service levels, or subsidy, for the £3million a year loss on the Guernsey Alderney and Alderney UK lifeline routes. That’s £3 million loss after all fares paid to cover essential life line services.

We May complain about flybe/Virgin Red, patient transfers, easyJet, open skies, etc, but we are in a far better position than that.

Nor must we get into the mess of Scotland and CalMac, 100% cost over runs on two new boats, 12 month minimum delivery delays, and all paid for by the taxpayer, because boats are owned by state owned CalMac Assets and an annual operating subsidy of £140 million, and projected Public Service Operational Subsidy over its next 8 year franchise, of nearly £1billion.

Conspiracy doesn't come into it. It's matter of fact. And I'm perfectly entitled to hammer IOMG if I think they deserve it. 

Although the Heads of Agreement have been approved by Tynwald there's still work to do on finalising those terms before Tynwald approves them. In the meantime as the Regulator Harmer should be above talking about ticket prices until the Agreement is signed and sealed. There's nowt to regulate yet! There's been plenty of opportunity for all and sundry to have their two pennyworth. up to this point.

I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of what you have to say.

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Is there anything we can export in the empty containers that go back to the UK every day?

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24 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

Is there anything we can export in the empty containers that go back to the UK every day?

Rolls and rolls of best Manx Felt.

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3 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

Is there anything we can export in the empty containers that go back to the UK every day?

Politicians.

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3 hours ago, Non-Believer said:

Rolls and rolls of best Manx Felt.

Don’t you dare export the roll of 1896 cross-nap, over-rub, double weave brushed Vermillion that’ll be the centrepiece of the Victorian Gallery in the Felt Museum!

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11 minutes ago, Uhtred said:

Don’t you dare export the roll of 1896 cross-nap, over-rub, double weave brushed Vermillion that’ll be the centrepiece of the Victorian Gallery in the Felt Museum!

Unless they get that damn mono rail built, nobody will get to the museum

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21 minutes ago, Uhtred said:

Don’t you dare export the roll of 1896 cross-nap, over-rub, double weave brushed Vermillion that’ll be the centrepiece of the Victorian Gallery in the Felt Museum!

With that sort of knowledge, you should apply for the curator's job.... :lol:

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4 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

Is there anything we can export in the empty containers that go back to the UK every day?

Having asked the people of Facebook this question on your behalf, the top answer was: All of the dog poo found on the streets of Onchan and Castletown

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1 hour ago, Non-Believer said:

With that sort of knowledge, you should apply for the curator's job.... :lol:

Application written!

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6 hours ago, Donald Trumps said:

Is there anything we can export in the empty containers that go back to the UK every day?

We already export SMA*, the containers aren’t empty, but we don’t sell it once it gets to Heysham, we just let it escape.

*Sweet Mountain Air

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