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33 minutes ago, Manxman2000 said:

Why spend £37mil for a terminal that cannot be used at night and cannot take freight. or at least not much freight

Save the money and use Birkenhead on a Saturday and Sunday with the Ben and Monday to Friday Holyhead with the Manannan.  only berthing fees to pay then the poor old Manx tax payer can pay off some of the SPC's dept. with the saving. By the time the first spade goes in the cost will have gone up another £7 mil and then the unforeseen extras that will have been missed in the first costing.

Another £37M spent to service our dying tourism industry is just insanity. We have no strategy for anything. The numbers keep on going down and down in inverse proportion to the millions the geniuses in our government are pumping in to stuff. We don’t have a plan for anything other than to spend more millions in the blind hope that just by spending millions something positive must come out at the other end. 

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44 minutes ago, Manxman2000 said:

Why spend £37mil for a terminal that cannot be used at night and cannot take freight. or at least not much freight

Save the money and use Birkenhead on a Saturday and Sunday with the Ben and Monday to Friday Holyhead with the Manannan.  only berthing fees to pay then the poor old Manx tax payer can pay off some of the SPC's dept. with the saving. By the time the first spade goes in the cost will have gone up another £7 mil and then the unforeseen extras that will have been missed in the first costing.

Who wants to go to Holyhead?

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On 7/9/2019 at 8:05 PM, Non-Believer said:

Small change to Peel Ports. But, you know, "Every little Counts". Especially when it's as easily parted with as it is with IoMG.

My money's on £100M in the end.

It ( the building cost rise ) has nothing to do with Peel Ports. We’ve got the lease of the land. It’s the development building and infrastructure costs that have increased, and, as far as I’m aware, Peel aren’t building.

The costing would have been a QS estimate up until now. Put out to tender. They've now got the tender prices. 

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31 minutes ago, Manxman2000 said:

Why spend £37mil for a terminal that cannot be used at night and cannot take freight. or at least not much freight

Save the money and use Birkenhead on a Saturday and Sunday with the Ben and Monday to Friday Holyhead with the Manannan.  only berthing fees to pay then the poor old Manx tax payer can pay off some of the SPC's dept. with the saving. By the time the first spade goes in the cost will have gone up another £7 mil and then the unforeseen extras that will have been missed in the first costing.

But...but...but... the boat's always gone to Liverpool, yessir.

Add to that, over the last two decades especially, those running the Island have had this devout belief that if you hang about with very rich people, then some of it will magically rub off on you and the rich must know what they are doing[1].  Which rather ignores how they got rich in the first place.

 

[1]  There's a wonderfully revealing remark in the report on the MEA,.  An unnamed politician (it sounds like Downie) at the time is asked whether the MEA Board are keeping close enough control on Proffitt and his spending.  "But some of these fellas are millionaires" is the reply.

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First rule of the Isle of Man - never ask a wealthy person who comes to live here where they got their money.

Second rule - fawn all over them

 

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9 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

 There's a wonderfully revealing remark in the report on the MEA,.  An unnamed politician (it sounds like Downie) at the time is asked whether the MEA Board are keeping close enough control on Proffitt and his spending.  "But some of these fellas are millionaires" is the reply.

But that didn't stop them taking wives, girlfriends or both on jollies funded by the Muggins Manx Taxpayer!

This time they had better do it proper like with A-level schedules, SWOT's, weekly progress reports etc etc and most important of all REGULAR STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS which were sadly lacking in the past hence eg the MEA loans fiasco.

Of course, set up regular meetings in a very nice hotel in somewhere like Chester and our politicos will be clambering over each other in their eagerness to attend.....

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31 minutes ago, John Wright said:

It ( the building cost rise ) has nothing to do with Peel Ports. We’ve got the lease of the land. It’s the development building and infrastructure costs that have increased, and, as far as I’m aware, Peel aren’t building.

The costing would have been a QS estimate up until now. Put out to tender. They've now got the tender prices. 

There is talk John (and admittedly that's all it is at the moment) that some sort of ground/land contamination issue has been discovered and is now going to have to be dealt with.

Peel aren't building as far as I know either. But they've done extremely well out of it to date. The Packet paid for the repairs to extend the life of the PP landing stage (doubtless over a barrel). Then PP were going to contribute £15M. Now IoMG have bought the land and are funding the whole shebang.

Like I said. £100M by the time it's finished. 

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On 7/9/2019 at 9:40 AM, gettafa said:

It happens time and time again of course.

Isle of Man Government should get a reasonably intelligent man in a pub to do their estimates then employ a school leaver to double the figure. 

The figures will end up pretty accurate.

You have to wonder if it's normal practice for government to present initial costings for development projects on the low side to Tynwald so as not to shock the paying public

Shabby politics if it proves to be the case

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My ideal, for sea crossings, is two traditional RoRo freight/pax operating between douglas and Liverpool/Heysham in a figure of 8, with Ben as back up reserve. No fast craft.

I think they’re over providing the terminal facilities at Liverpool and under providing at Heysham.

Boat 1 would leave IoM at 08.00 to Liverpool, return at 14.00, then go to Heysham at 20.00 and back to IoM at 02.00.

Boat 2 would leave Liverpool at 08.00 to IoM, to Heysham at 14.00, return at 20.00 and back to Liverpool at 02.00

Thats summer. Much more flexibility, long day trips each way to Liverpool.

preserves the essential logistics distribution sailing  from Heysham at 02.00

one day a week there’d be Ireland sailings.

winter fewer sailings, except Friday to 02.00 Monday

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How would the crewing work out on that schedule?

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6 minutes ago, P.K. said:

How would the crewing work out on that schedule?

All crews based IoM - not much different to now.

 

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6 minutes ago, John Wright said:

All crews based IoM - not much different to now.

So how many crews would you need?

Also do you really think the 02:00 to Liverpool is worth doing?

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27 minutes ago, P.K. said:

So how many crews would you need?

Also do you really think the 02:00 to Liverpool is worth doing?

I think you need same as now. The fast craft changes crews. They don’t do 6am to 10pm.

its a positioning sailing, in effect. And you can change the times. 

Im only including Liverpool at all so we use the £37m white elephant that’s going to be built. I’d be happier with exclusively using Heysham. 

Few more cabins on boat, allow early boarding, I’d love to be able to depart IoM around midnight or 01.00 and arrive UK at 6, for onward travel.

Having 4 departures spread through the day, each way, opens lots of options.

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Travelling times of two & a half hours or less are thought to greatly increase the number of people willing to travel to visit

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