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Historically, the Sikh community in the UK have also found themselves ignored by police and authorities alike when they complained about organised Pakistani grooming gangs abusing their girls. The groomer interviewed in this article shows something of the mindset of these men...

http://dailysikhupdates.com/sikh-girls-easy-groom-sex-says-pakistani-groomer/

Sikh fathers, brothers, uncles and nephews rightly became a law unto themselves and tackled the problem of the Pakistani groomers head on. I can see this happening with the White community. 

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10 minutes ago, quilp said:

Sikh fathers, brothers, uncles and nephews rightly became a law unto themselves and tackled the problem of the Pakistani groomers head on. I can see this happening with the White community. 

That's what elements of Tommy's supporters want. Hence the fiction that he was exposing gangs that were actually on trial.

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2 minutes ago, Declan said:

... the fiction that he was exposing gangs that were actually on trial.

Oh, what was his game then? 

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He was acting as though he wanted the trial to collapse.  Why would someone want the trial to collapse?  Either to help the accused, or perhaps to provoke outrage amongst another group, who would then think they had no option but to take things into their own hands.

Or perhaps I'm being cynical and overthinking it, and really he's just incredibly stupid.

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Just now, quilp said:

Oh, what was his game then? 

Him? Self-promotion.

Others? Create the impression that these gangs aren't being dealt with. That there is an establishment cover up. That there was no justice for white victims other than street justice, which they will then incite. This leads to heightened tensions, perhaps race riots, which they can use as a further recruitment tool.

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Sausages said:

He was acting as though he wanted the trial to collapse.  Why would someone want the trial to collapse?  Either to help the accused, or perhaps to provoke outrage amongst another group, who would then think they had no option but to take things into their own hands.

Or perhaps I'm being cynical and overthinking it, and really he's just incredibly stupid.

for what i have read, he was told it was sentencing day but the same evidence is been used in other hearings hence the news blackout...

 

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51 minutes ago, John Wright said:

Also that all Muslims are terrorists, rapists, groomers and paedophiles.

Muslims are many nationalities, cultures and ethnicities, just like Christians. And there are a very few bad ones, just like Christians. 

We’re not allowed to remember that any more. That fact of human nature has been wiped from our memories. 

 

 

I would like to share another perspective on this.

What some of you guys haven’t worked out yet is that none of this matters. Not the subject matter, that matters very much indeed of course but all this diversion news is just that. A diversion.  

A post by John Wright got me thinking last night. The people pulling the strings, not the government, the people pulling the strings, are narcissists. One of the delightful arrows to the string pullers’ bow is that of projection. Projection is where the narcissist projects their own bad behaviours onto their victim. 

Paedophilia is huge. The amount that goes on in the home is only the tip of a huge iceberg. The real extent of it has to be kept from the public at any costs. 

Another arrow used by then narcsssist I’m getting what they want is using a small part of the truth to engage the victim. In this case the victim is us. 

Yes. There are some nasty people in the the world. In the 40’s they were all German, in the 60’a they were all communists, and in the 70’s it was the blacks, and so on and so on  

So it’s easy to hate the Muslims now. We used to hate them for killing us but but the general public got a bit too close to the truth with that one so it’s switched tack and now we’ve building up a nice level of hate for them because they’ve been playing stinky finger. 

Trouble is, we’ve now got a opposition to the string pullers  now we’ve got the far right Muslim haters who are also run by a load of narcissists  it’s going to be interesting that’s for sure  It could end really badly for a lot of Muslims  the large percentage of whom are like the rest of us flawed but essentially good, human beings who just want to get on with their lives in peace  

And while we’re arguing and wailing and dick waving, the real awful, violent, sordid, hateful and sickening  world of the paedophilic narcissistic abusers slips under the radar and the ordinary peace seeking Muslims living in the UK must be watching the news with horror  

 

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46 minutes ago, Declan said:

Him? Self-promotion.

Others? Create the impression that these gangs aren't being dealt with. That there is an establishment cover up. That there was no justice for white victims other than street justice, which they will then incite.

There is little need to "create the impression that these gangs aren't being dealt with." They weren't. There has been an 'establishment' cover-up. Hence the national anger. Only when the then new DPP, Nazir Afzal (himself a muslim), reviewed the historical evidence and decided something must be done was any action taken against the gangs. It has been widely acknowledged by police and politicians that the delay in bringing these criminals to justice was caused by a fear of being labelled racist or out of skewed political-correctness. The grooming and abuse was covered-up and ignored for decades. Was it a conspiracy of silence?

There's certainly evidence to suggest that the gang's crimes were racially-motivated. The experience of the Sikh community, going back to the early seventies would indicate that there is also a cultural aspect to their intended victims.

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And there you go RIchard (now in blue), another example.

 

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1 hour ago, quilp said:

There is little need to "create the impression that these gangs aren't being dealt with." They weren't. There has been an 'establishment' cover-up. Hence the national anger. Only when the then new DPP, Nazir Afzal (himself a muslim), reviewed the historical evidence and decided something must be done was any action taken against the gangs. It has been widely acknowledged by police and politicians that the delay in bringing these criminals to justice was caused by a fear of being labelled racist or out of skewed political-correctness. The grooming and abuse was covered-up and ignored for decades. Was it a conspiracy of silence?

There's certainly evidence to suggest that the gang's crimes were racially-motivated. The experience of the Sikh community, going back to the early seventies would indicate that there is also a cultural aspect to their intended victims.

I don't doubt all that. But I think it needs to be seen in the context that sexual abuse across the board was ignored and many different excuses have been offered but it all boils down to institutional indifference to the issue of abuse. 

But the way to deal with that is by prosecuting the perpetrators. There's no doubt that there's been a sea change in the last five years in how abuse is dealt with by authorities, and the focus on grooming gangs is part of that.  As you point out they're coming to light now and being dealt with. Tommy claimed he was "exposing Muslim gangs", but they'd already been exposed and were on trial. 

 

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2 hours ago, quilp said:

There is little need to "create the impression that these gangs aren't being dealt with." They weren't. There has been an 'establishment' cover-up. Hence the national anger. Only when the then new DPP, Nazir Afzal (himself a muslim), reviewed the historical evidence and decided something must be done was any action taken against the gangs. It has been widely acknowledged by police and politicians that the delay in bringing these criminals to justice was caused by a fear of being labelled racist or out of skewed political-correctness. The grooming and abuse was covered-up and ignored for decades. Was it a conspiracy of silence?

Not so in my experience of what happened in Rochdale.

The main reason there was that the victims were just not considered credible. Possibly because of the sheer scale of what was happening.

When the investigation finally started properly moving forward the officers involved felt absolutely terrible that they had failed the victims and allowed it to continue. Now, of course, they have to live with their mistakes.

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