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40 minutes ago, P.K. said:

I wouldn't expect it to be top heavy in a small place. I would expect it to be in line with the workload. Which is actually what they are there for.

The fact it IS top heavy is bloody ridiculous....

I said a "bit more top-heavy" and you would expect it to simply because you can't have 0.7 of a Chief Constable or whatever.  Whether the total numbers are justified and whether the salaries that go with the top jobs are, is another matter, but it wasn't the question I was answering, which about the ratios between the various lower ranks and the point is that those seem to be pretty standard.

Now it may be that the structure in the UK is top-heavy as well, and they also have lots of people at the top with little to do except call meetings and write reports to keep themselves busy.  But those figures show the Island isn't that much out of line.

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18 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Not any more. Gary binned that off to his credit.

Absolutely. Begs the question how/why it was there in the first instance?

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7 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

It reflected UK practice and the DHA were thick enough to swallow it.

We've heard something similar to that involving farm grants in recent years.....

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11 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

It reflected UK practice and the DHA were thick enough to swallow it.

And that candid remark sums up to me everything that's wrong with the "delusions of statehood" that runs right through public service.

The thing is that it comes at a price.....

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2 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

No. The position is well paid compared to other places.

have a look at the top Met/ City of London positions as a comparator

https://www.metfriendly.org.uk/services/police-finance-information/police-pay/

According to the BBC in November 2017 "Salaries for chief constables and deputy chief constables are determined by rank, the size of their force and the area's population".  They linked to a dataset which gave to salaries for Chief Constables etc and £140k would be around the salary for a smaller force - though still many times that of the Island - Cumbria say (£138k) or Derbyshire (£143k)[1], which have populations of around half a million and a million respectively.  So clearly someone thinks the Island is bigger than it is. 

But comparatively the Island does at least have a large police force.  With 207 police for a population of about 84,000 that gives a figure of  246 police per 100,000 people.  If you compare it with the list on page 8 of this recent publication from the House of Commons Library (downloads), it is the highest figure for any police force except the Met (352) and just ahead of Merseyside (244).

 

[1]  There's a big turnover in this roll so a lot of forces have it split over two entries for different people in post or acting up.  These are two for the whole year.

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8 hours ago, Roger Mexico said:

According to the BBC in November 2017 "Salaries for chief constables and deputy chief constables are determined by rank, the size of their force and the area's population".  They linked to a dataset which gave to salaries for Chief Constables etc and £140k would be around the salary for a smaller force - though still many times that of the Island - Cumbria say (£138k) or Derbyshire (£143k)[1], which have populations of around half a million and a million respectively.  So clearly someone thinks the Island is bigger than it is. 

But comparatively the Island does at least have a large police force.  With 207 police for a population of about 84,000 that gives a figure of  246 police per 100,000 people.  If you compare it with the list on page 8 of this recent publication from the House of Commons Library (downloads), it is the highest figure for any police force except the Met (352) and just ahead of Merseyside (244).

 

[1]  There's a big turnover in this roll so a lot of forces have it split over two entries for different people in post or acting up.  These are two for the whole year.

Monaco has a force of over 500 for a pop. of 34000

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