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18 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said:

Also do the drivers know the highway code.  Only saying as the tram just ignored the red light. So is this just ignorance or lack of training

One tried to T bone me at the bottom of Broadway the other day when I went on a green light as well!

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That’d be you then.

This is the only place in the world where REAL horse trams operate a REAL service IN THE STREET. Not to be confused with Disney style theme parks where nothing is allowed to go above walking pace

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6 minutes ago, Dirty Buggane said:

Also do the drivers know the highway code.  Only saying as the tram just ignored the red light. So is this just ignorance or lack of training

Maybe the horses are colour blind....

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13 hours ago, Dirty Buggane said:

Also do the drivers know the highway code.  Only saying as the tram just ignored the red light. So is this just ignorance or lack of training

Would IoM Highway Code 301 apply in this circumstance?

Always give way to trams, particularly when turning across the tracks.

UK version has some extra bits:

Rule 301

Take extra care where the track crosses from one side of the road to the other and where the road narrows and the tracks come close to the kerb. Tram drivers usually have their own traffic signals and may be permitted to move when you are not. Always give way to trams. Do not try to race or overtake them or pass them on the inside, unless they are at tram stops or stopped by tram signals and there is a designated tram lane for you to pass.

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They are part of Manx Cultural Heritage and are pretty much unique.  I believe the only other horse drawn tramway still in existence is in New Zealand.

If we close the Horse Trams, Steam Railway and Electric Trams then we lose a significant part of what makes this Island special.  If we take away all this then we pretty much become the same as any town in the UK.  

No one believes that keeping these historic items are going to turn the tide on tourism, however, they do attract a small niche market plus add to the interest of the Island beyond our countryside and coastline.

There may be better ways in which they can operate, perhaps a mix of skilled workers supported by volunteers, and they should certainly not be under the control of Longworth.  They should fall under Manx National Heritage.

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7 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

They are part of Manx Cultural Heritage and are pretty much unique.  I believe the only other horse drawn tramway still in existence is in New Zealand.

 

built by they english....

manchester, beamish and dudley still run them......

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39 minutes ago, manxman1980 said:

If we close the Horse Trams, Steam Railway and Electric Trams then we lose a significant part of what makes this Island special.  If we take away all this then we pretty much become the same as any town in the UK. 

The MER route is amazing. It would make a fantastic cycle way. And the IOM is increasing about cycling. The steam trains are nice and probably worth keeping.

The horse tram route takes passengers along a once busy promenade - past derelict and semi derelict boarding houses and crumbling Victorian era conversions. Normally in the driving rain. And back. For most modern people it's surely the opposite of an attraction. 

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1 hour ago, woody2 said:
16 hours ago, P.K. said:

They're part of the manx english cultural heritage.

If you don't understand that then maybe you should just keep shtum....

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another T&C broken eh ?

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1 hour ago, woody2 said:

built by they english....

manchester, beamish and dudley still run them......

But only as very short museum tracks. Not as a public transport service ( heritage or tourist attraction or otherwise )

Typical Woody fact. Tiny bit of truth presented as something totally different.

Theres one in Germany, one at Victor Harbour in South Australia, plus three horse “tramways” at Disney in California, Florida and Paris.

But they’re all recreations.

They May have been originated in UK, it’s true the rails and rolling stock were manufactured there, but it was Manx workers who laid the track, built stables and terminuses and it was under an Act of Tynwald, through a Manx company, at least partly financed by Manx investors that it was set up, developed and run until taken over by the Corpy.

Its certainly part of our tourist history, whether it’s a tourist attraction or “heritage” offer is debatable.

It, and the steam, electric, and mountain railways cost millions every year, contributed by tax payers. If it were a stand alone volunteer run/operated self financing attraction or heritage offer I’d not have any issue. 

Id probably not have an issue if they were properly integrated into the public transport system.

But I think we have to have a long hard look at what they cost and for what benefit. 

If they are to stay, and have millions thrown at them for years to come, whether capital or revenue, they’ve got to deliver to us. 

The steam railway and mountain railway have started to understand with the theme days and events and the dining cars. Needs to go much further. Not sure what the USP of the horse trams is, that makes it economically worthwhile, if we are going to rip up the tracks and replace at huge cost, and then lose £250,000 a year.

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