Howard 128 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 26 minutes ago, John Wright said: The purchaser who agreed to enter into the covenant on buying does so with their eyes open, of their own free will. They don’t have to buy that property. Don’t understand why you think this is a matter for anti trust. The purchaser is irrelevant. It is the seller who is preventing open competition by reducing the pool of buyers to those who would not use it in a way that would compete with their near monopoly hegemony. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 8,917 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, finlo said: If you were to buy it then just apply for a license is there anything H&B could actually do to stop you? Or do they still have board members in positions of influence elsewhere? You could apply for and be granted a licence, it’s nothing to do with the licensing court. But H&B could apply to the High Court for, and would be granted, an injunction, plus damages. A covenant is a type of contract. You’d be in breach Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kopek 2,234 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 ..... and yet they have a prospective purchaser! Any attempt to get around the covenant by buying and then applying for pub permission wiould be rejected as it is too soon to ask for a variance. Ten years from now, an ask could be considered but by then it will be two houses and three apartments? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 5,125 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, John Wright said: You could apply for and be granted a licence, it’s nothing to do with the licensing court. But H&B could apply to the High Court for, and would be granted, an injunction, plus damages. A covenant is a type of contract. You’d be in breach Kind of renders it pretty much worthless then! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Wright 8,917 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Howard said: The purchaser is irrelevant. It is the seller who is preventing open competition by reducing the pool of buyers to those who would not use it in a way that would compete with their near monopoly hegemony. Of all the licenced premises on Island what percentage do you think are owned by H&B? its less than 25%. Is that a monopoly? Or a hegemony? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kopek 2,234 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, finlo said: Kind of renders it pretty much worthless then! 300,000 quid worthless! Are we really that desperate for a Pub half way to Laxey? You could always take a flask! Edited August 29, 2018 by Kopek 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 5,125 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, Kopek said: 300,000 quid worthless! Would you want to live there? Constant traffic noise, bathed in main beam etc and there's been more than one car that's ended up in the bar! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 128 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, John Wright said: Of all the licenced premises on Island what percentage do you think are owned by H&B? its less than 25%. Is that a monopoly? Or a hegemony? I'm not singling out one company. Anti-trust laws would go beyond that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kopek 2,234 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, finlo said: Would you want to live there? Constant traffic noise, bathed in main beam etc and there's been more than one car that's ended up in the bar! No I wouldn't want to live there, spend some 5oo,ooo quids on the conversion and not have the land in front, Garff Comms I think, to buffer you from the main road traffic, which makes a site development more likely? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Down 8,016 Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 26 minutes ago, John Wright said: Of all the licenced premises on Island what percentage do you think are owned by H&B? its less than 25%. Is that a monopoly? Or a hegemony? Less than 25%. That can’t be correct. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kopek 2,234 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 16 minutes ago, Howard said: I'm not singling out one company. Anti-trust laws would go beyond that. Anti trust laws would be fantastic in a strong Govt. We do not have strong Govt and would likely see such laws applied in a selective manner leaving us, the public, feeling that a trick has been missed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 128 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kopek said: Anti trust laws would be fantastic in a strong Govt. We do not have strong Govt and would likely see such laws applied in a selective manner leaving us, the public, feeling that a trick has been missed. We do have a strong government. It's just that it's completely controlled by various interests. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Down 8,016 Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 32 minutes ago, Kopek said: 300,000 quid worthless! Are we really that desperate for a Pub half way to Laxey? You could always take a flask! More to do with H&B denying anybody the opportunity to show them how to run a pub properly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finlo 5,125 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 33 minutes ago, Kopek said: No I wouldn't want to live there, spend some 5oo,ooo quids on the conversion and not have the land in front, Garff Comms I think, to buffer you from the main road traffic, which makes a site development more likely? Yep, you'd have to start again flatten it and rebuild back from the road but I don't think the expense would warrant it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Believer 13,289 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 How far from the road are the des res that were built on the Lancashire Arms site? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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