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"Chemtrails" would be testable and verifiable if they existed - but in my experience, the believers don't seem to be interested in proof, positive or negative, instead using it as a frame around a ser

Manxy, I am just a bloke, who is now getting a bit old and worn out by life, who's fascinated by science and what it has done to improve the world.  I believe in cock ups and not conspiracies, bu

The US also ignored repeated attempts by the Japanese to surrender for months prior to the atomic bombs being dropped. They wanted to use the bombs as a warning to the Soviets and others. Ma

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All or nothing, black or white, yes or no. If you think the US gov knew that 9/11 was going to happen and used the events to launch massive wars for profit then it stands to reason that you also think the moon landings were faked, the earth is flat and theyre putting chemicals in the water that TURN THE FRICKIN FROGS GAY

 

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10 minutes ago, the stinking enigma said:

It's just about beginning to be accepted that the us had prior intelligence as to the attack on pearl harbour. 

The US also ignored repeated attempts by the Japanese to surrender for months prior to the atomic bombs being dropped.

They wanted to use the bombs as a warning to the Soviets and others.

Mass murder really. They should have been tried at Nuremberg along with the Nazis for that.

 

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2 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

It's just about beginning to be accepted that the us had prior intelligence as to the attack on pearl harbour. Took a while. Again, anybody suggesting it at the time on a forum like this would be 1940's meme'd out of town.

Would that be because they are clearly crazy? 

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3 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

Ah but the thing is, if you believe that then also you must believe in lizard people and that the moon landings were faked. It's one or the other. Thats how it works.

But  does Lee Harvey Oswald fit into this conundrum?

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8 hours ago, Howard said:
21 hours ago, Chinahand said:

Take a kg of ice out of a freezer at -30 C and a kg of gold at 20C.  Put a blow torch onto each of them - which will melt 1st?  Note gold's melting point is 1064 degrees C.  

What's the answer, CH? Don't leave us all in suspense!

8 hours ago, Howard said:

The ice will melt first?

Well at least one person sort of tried ... but the idea is to use evidence and sources to justify your argument.

IE places like this and this.  Which gives you the following result

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Gold and lead would melt before the Ice, and though it takes more energy to melt the same weight of ice than iron, and to raise it a degree in temperature, Iron's thermal capacity of about 0.45KJ/kg/K, though less than quarter ice's 2.108 KJ/kg/K is sufficiently hight that it takes more energy to raise it to 1583 C and melt it than heating the same amount of ice from -30 and turning it into a puddle!

Ice is one amazing substance.  Just think about it - with the energy to just warm up 1 kg of ice, 30 degrees and melt it - you could raise a kg of lead and a kg of gold to over 1000 degrees C and melt them too.

Nature is one wonderful place.

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