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12 Rules For Life - Dr Jordan Peterson

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Hard work but brilliant - as are the endless hours of his talks and lectures on YouTube.

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6 hours ago, Stu Peters said:

Hard work but brilliant - as are the endless hours of his talks and lectures on YouTube.

The shit you read when you're incapacitated eh?

Stu...you only need 4 rules for a happy life:

1. Never eat alone, only dogs and lions do that. Good selection of friends

2. Have enough or just enough resources to be able to tell your boss to take a hike. Don't be beholden to anyone.

3. Review and maintain 1 and 2 at least once a year

4. Don't watch adverts...if you need something you already have it. Adverts just try and sell you stuff you don't need and if you watch very closely they are usually all trying to do this through your fears/desires of 1. and 2. above.

 

ETA: Epicurus btw - good philosopher

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............Albert, not sure about number one......I'm very happy eating alone, no inane conversation or vulgar slurping or chewing noises from companions either.............plus you can eat whatever strange mixtures or concoctions you desire........... oh, yes, you can read at the table too............

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16 hours ago, Stu Peters said:

Hard work but brilliant - as are the endless hours of his talks and lectures on YouTube.

Try the Ten Commandments if want hard work...Includes something about not coveting (desiring after) your neighbour's ass? Apparently adultery with his and I suppose now her wife is out as well. 

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There is a huge controversy over the balance between ideology verses evidence; and essentialism verses cherry-picking in Peterson's work.

I've not yet read him - what makes him brilliant, Stu?

I categorise him in the interesting category; a bit like Freud, Ayn Rand and Karl Marx.  Most likely wrong, but wrong in an illuminating way.

PZ Myers, another "interesting" thinker, hates him for going on about Lobsters and Serotonin - in this area I think PZ is correct.  Peterson is distorting evidence for ideological gain.  He's conservative and is using poor biology to justify social institutions.

The problem for me is I think Peterson is right about something also discussed by Antonio Damasio:

Some people become leaders and others followers, some command respect and others cower. This can have little to do with knowledge, or skills, and rather depend on how a given individual’s manner and certain of their physical traits promote a certain physical response in others. 

Peterson views that fact about people as being inherently biological and deep rooted in explaining society's current form, while PZ Myers, as an egalitarian socialist, sees our current society as being full of social blocks which mean some leaders are held back, not because they don't have those biological traits, but because arbitrary biases stop their skills being recognised due to their gender or skin colour etc.

Society is on complex thing, and how helpful Peterson's rules for life are for a black inner city kid verses a trust fund frat boy is worth debating; and why the social advantages and disadvantages both face are so different.

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I've listened to his lectures and read critiques of his work, but no I haven't yet read his book; but that doesn't stop me being aware of what other people have said about it.  This is what first made me interested in him - it was a barn-stormer of an interview!

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13 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

I've not yet read him...

I categorise him in the interesting category; a bit like Freud, Ayn Rand and Karl Marx.  Most likely wrong, but wrong in an illuminating way.

Peterson is distorting evidence for ideological gain.  He's conservative and is using poor biology to justify social institutions.

The problem for me is I think Peterson is right... 

Peterson views that fact about people as being inherently biological... 

Society is on complex thing, and how helpful Peterson's rules for life are for a black inner city kid verses a trust fund frat boy is worth debating... 

Yet you've not yet read him...

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Yes, but I've listened to his lectures, interviews etc - believe it or not nowadays we have other media to understand people's opinions than the printed material they produce.

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I've not read his stuff and have only seen a couple of interviews. I'm sure he's a very clever guy with lots of interesting viewpoints, but his popularity with certain sections of the internet makes it unlikely I'm going to join in the hype.

32 minutes ago, Chinahand said:

Society is on complex thing, and how helpful Peterson's rules for life are for a black inner city kid verses a trust fund frat boy is worth debating; and why the social advantages and disadvantages both face are so different.

Due to my conditioning I'd be far more interested in talking to the black kid.

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Simply, he enunciates and rationalises what we all feel is the truth.  One of his early rules is stand up straight, shoulders back. Sounds simple doesn't it? But the psychology behind it is actually very profound.

About half way through reading the book now, and am sure one of the rules will be something along the lines of "if they suck you dry, dont give them the juice". 

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3 hours ago, Chinahand said:

This is what first made me interested in him - it was a barn-stormer of an interview!

Agreed. An astonishing intellect. 

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The main message I get is self-determination and responsibility.  

Watched the link China posted above, worth a watch with an open mind.  Sadly, the interviewer did not.

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What a whinny git he comes across at the start of that interview. Even the delightful Cathy Newman couldn’t make me sit through that. 

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