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11 hours ago, buzz said:

Seems to me the road safety strategy is basically going to be to reduce or introduce speed limits. Over the last ten or more years, a lot of speed limits have been brought in. Is there any info on wether these have brought down accidents? How about hammering drivers overtaking on double white lines, talking/texting on mobiles, blasting through existing speed limits. See how much that improves things over a year or so. Let’s face it, idiots are going to do all the above anyway, so what difference is a lower number on a road sign going to make? It’s lack of a deterrent at the moment that’s making things dangerous, not lack of a national speed limit.

All part of Safe System approach.

this isn’t all about speed limits. Collisions have reduced in places where speed limits and enforcement has been introduced. Laxey Coast Road 50, and Barregarrow are two good examples. The other stuff needs dealing with too. 

The present Chief Constable began to reduce specialist road policing resources back in 2007. It’s not improved since then. I’m hoping to see him put that right as part of his commitment to the success of the strategy. 

This needs boots on the ground, supported by technology if it is going to succeed

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1 hour ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

A few speed cameras wouldn't go amiss particularly where the unrestricted stretches end. Anyone with an objection probably has a problem complying with speed limits in any event.

If the speed limit was say 50, how would one safely go about overtaking someone doing 35?

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1 hour ago, asitis said:

A few years ago I was standing talking to a collection of Irish guys on large powerful motorcycles at the pre TT races. The subject of speed limits came up and they said to a man that the only reason they came to the island was the lack of speed limits, all their motorcycles had the tiny unreadable number plates on. This is the reason that COMIN don't want to limit speed the perceived tourist pound !

I thought the police had a crackdown on these stupid number plates?

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59 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

I thought the police had a crackdown on these stupid number plates?

Probably impossible to enforce TT weeks, an awful lot are designed to prevent easy reading maybe they use them all the time for cameras etc !

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16 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

How many of the tt crowd come for the racing rather to race the mountain themselves? Has anybody ever asked these questions on the boat questionaire?

 

12 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

People come primarily to see the racing and enjoy the Island. A few, locals and visitors enjoy a high speed run across the top. My opinion is we need to find a safer way of still allowing that, whilst releasing the police from their burden of policing it, and removing any consequences from the road traffic collision statistics. 

 

My visitors over the last 40 years enjoy at least one full lap of the course during their visit, especially the freedom of the unrestricted Mountain. Although they may think so, they don't actually go that fast. but it is the perception that they could if they wished that is the enjoyment. The freedom to choose.

My motorcycle rarely leaves Douglas these days, but it is a huge comfort to me, to know that at any time I could take it for a lap round the course and go as fast as I feel safe on the ever diminishing unrestricted sections. In fact, I know that I will rarely touch say 60 or 70 mph anywhere, but that is not the point.

I value that feeling of freedom and as a biker it is one of the huge benefits of living on this Island.  And it is that feeling of freedom that our visitors value during TT.

 

 

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2 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

If the speed limit was say 50, how would one safely go about overtaking someone doing 35?

A couple of points

1.You only overtake where it can be done safely. If you have to break the speed limit to overtake a vehicle you shouldn't be overtaking it. A speed limit on a road is a speed limit. It isn't "50mph but a bit more is ok if you are overtaking"  

2. I said cameras should be placed particularly points where unrestricted roads end...nothing to do with overtaking but more to do with people taking it upon themselves to decide when to slow down

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2 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

If the speed limit was say 50, how would one safely go about overtaking someone doing 35?

You do it safely, like you say.

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2 hours ago, the stinking enigma said:

Because that's where the cameras would end up. At safe overtaking spots

Average speed cameras are the way forward. Single site stuff is a bit 1990

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1 hour ago, gettafa said:

My motorcycle rarely leaves Douglas these days

Neither do most of the people crying out for a national speed limit, I bet. 

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1 hour ago, asitis said:

Probably impossible to enforce TT weeks, an awful lot are designed to prevent easy reading maybe they use them all the time for cameras etc !

It is possible to enforce.

you don’t get out of the sea terminal unless you’ve got a proper one. 

Ports presence is slowly getting more robust.

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People perceived as 'whinging old farts' on a forum (I include myself in that description) will not change the minds of COMIN et al - You need the Mothers and Kids / Medical staff brigade onboard to do that.

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14 minutes ago, Manximus Aururaneus said:

People perceived as 'whinging old farts' on a forum (I include myself in that description) will not change the minds of COMIN et al - You need the Mothers and Kids / Medical staff brigade onboard to do that.

Just grannies. They're heavily farmed on a four-yearly basis.

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