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1 minute ago, Kitten Mittens said:

I'm certainly not saying that changes shouldn't be made, but I don't think the changes that were mentioned in 2015 (that you've kindly listed above) are the correct ones. They're very much aimed at teenagers/students, rather than newly qualified drivers.

I get that most newly qualified drivers are teenagers or students, but imagine being the 35 year old nurse with two children. Passes a test of competence yet can't drive anywhere as a family and must abandon the car should they need to leave mid-way through a night shift. I don't think it's fair to require additional training in order to drive your family places, having already passed the standard test.

 

Agree with you Kitten ----- while you were busy writing this I was editing to add a final few words .;)

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9 minutes ago, emesde said:

Agree with you Kitten ----- while you were busy writing this I was editing to add a final few words .;)

Ahh, apologies Emesde!

More haste, less speed I think!

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2 hours ago, Neil Down said:

If the police positioned themselves at either the QB roundabout or on the promenade by the old Villiers, they will see so many vehicle drivers using their phones. Round that lot up and they won't have a funding shortage...

Tech based solutions are now available 

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2 hours ago, Neil Down said:

How many drivers using cars with R plates do you see speeding and overtaking?

Too many. Needs addressing with education, enforcement and technology 

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2 hours ago, The Duck of Atholl said:

I'm not missing the point. If someone is travelling at 35mph it isn't down to a following driver to take the law into his/hers own hands and break the speed limit to get past. I agree a learner may fail their test for failing to make progress but that doesn't mean they are breaking the law. There is a minimum speed limit on a motorway for good reason, that being that the permitted speed of vehicles on a motorway is quite high. Two different things

Tractors have a 25 mph gearbox. Cyclists average 16-20 mph. Horses are really slow. 

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1 minute ago, Derek Flint said:

Tractors have a 25 mph gearbox. Cyclists average 16-20 mph. Horses are really slow. 

All of which would be classified as a hazard if seen on a hazard perception test. This supporting the argument that driver's travelling at well below the legal limit can be hazardous.

 

On a lighter note, I s'pose it's lucky for the horses that they're not required to pass a driving test.

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I think that is the point .... you don't get tractors ,horses , cyclists on a straight multi lane motorway which has a National speed limit of 70 mph in the UK and similar  speeds throughout europe . Yet we allow cars /bikes to travel  along a fairly narrow ,rural road with all these hazards , and more, at speeds well in excess of this . Just doesn't make sense . 

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20 minutes ago, Derek Flint said:

Tractors have a 25 mph gearbox. Cyclists average 16-20 mph. Horses are really slow. 

......sorry to disagree about tractors but many tractors can't get near 25mph and some of the more modern ones can travel much faster than that even with a big trailer on. It all depends on the suspension and braking system.........If any one wants to research the legislation it will be clearer.........like most things it's not a simple thing to sort out...........

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1 hour ago, doc.fixit said:

......sorry to disagree about tractors but many tractors can't get near 25mph and some of the more modern ones can travel much faster than that even with a big trailer on. It all depends on the suspension and braking system.........If any one wants to research the legislation it will be clearer.........like most things it's not a simple thing to sort out...........

Some are geared for 22.5 mph. Some are geared for 45 mph.

I was (clearly poorly) trying to illustrate that there are other slow things on the road other than grannies in Micras.

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9 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

All part of Safe System approach.

this isn’t all about speed limits. Collisions have reduced in places where speed limits and enforcement has been introduced. Laxey Coast Road 50, and Barregarrow are two good examples. The other stuff needs dealing with too. 

The present Chief Constable began to reduce specialist road policing resources back in 2007. It’s not improved since then. I’m hoping to see him put that right as part of his commitment to the success of the strategy. 

This needs boots on the ground, supported by technology if it is going to succeed

That’s what I was trying to get at. Rather than bringing in new restrictions, enforce existing legislation and use the maximum fines/penalties available. Do that and it would be self financing, at least for the first year or two until the message gets through.

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On 1/6/2019 at 7:03 PM, doc.fixit said:

......................did you by any chance understand what I said? nowhere did I say or intimate that people should not have a choice.............I was suggesting that commentators who believe that some folk don't know how to achieve the full potential of their vehicles should clearly define exactly which vehicles they are talking about..............I am fed up of being lumped together with snowflake, pseudo, wanna be  off road drivers........... I say again, I have a big, powerful 4wd and it is used to it's full potential as a working truck as well as my daily driver...............so, don't pick on me.............

What I am saying is that you are having a go at people buying and driving Chelsea Tractors, however, they can buy and drive whatever the hell they like, it is no one's business but theirs.

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1 hour ago, doc.fixit said:
2 hours ago, Derek Flint said:

Tractors have a 25 mph gearbox. Cyclists average 16-20 mph. Horses are really slow. 

......sorry to disagree about tractors but many tractors can't get near 25mph and some of the more modern ones can travel much faster than that even with a big trailer on. It all depends on the suspension and braking system.........If any one wants to research the legislation it will be clearer.........like most things it's not a simple thing to sort out...........

Less modern tractors are limited to about 17mph.

 But isn't the whole thing here about safety ?

If all drivers/riders drove/rode at a speed and a distance that they could see to be clear and stop in, there would be no problem.

 

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3 minutes ago, dilligaf said:

Less modern tractors are limited to about 17mph.

 But isn't the whole thing here about safety ?

If all drivers/riders drove/rode at a speed and a distance that they could see to be clear and stop in, there would be no problem.

 

Beware the trilby hat wearing Honda Jazz driver!!!

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How about introducing a new 'P' plate in addition to L and R. The P could be penalty (or prick!) so if you've been caught on your phone, speeding, driving like a knob, whatever, in addition to your trip to court and pointless £200 fine you also have to display a P plate on your car and have similar restrictions to R plates for 6 months with clear and obvious notice given that if you transgress in your P period you'll straight up get a year ban. That might incentivise people to take some notice?

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27 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

How about introducing a new 'P' plate in addition to L and R. The P could be penalty (or prick!) so if you've been caught on your phone, speeding, driving like a knob, whatever, in addition to your trip to court and pointless £200 fine you also have to display a P plate on your car and have similar restrictions to R plates for 6 months with clear and obvious notice given that if you transgress in your P period you'll straight up get a year ban. That might incentivise people to take some notice?

Just fit them as standard to any new Range Rover / Evoque. You’d get most straight off. 

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