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Uhtred

Where did the voters go..?

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16 hours ago, Uhtred said:
16 hours ago, gettafa said:

Our lot get sent on jollies (and yes, it is a jolly) all over the globe to oversee elections.

Maybe we should ask Zimbabwe, Philippines etc to come and see how it's done on t' Isle of Man

We’d better not - they’d be appalled.

With good reason too.

Tynwald was specifically warned, in its own court,  about the possibility of fraud with regard to proxy voting, absentee voting and retirement homes (it is documented in Hansard back in the 1990s.. 

The Buster/Douglas East situation would never have happened had they not been so cloth-eared, up their own arse and arrogant.

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2 hours ago, english zloty said:

Electoral Registration Officer reported direct to CS. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-32129843

Ah...thanks. So Mrs. Fletcher has retired?Didn’t she get a gong a while back? Possibly prematurely.

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1 hour ago, gettafa said:

The [ANY ] situation would never have happened had they not been so cloth-eared, up their own arse and arrogant.

A suitable revision I think.

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22 hours ago, Uhtred said:

If the observations made by Mr. Jones of Peel Commissioners in the interview (audio file in link) are accurate and reliable, then this is really rather serious. And Howard Quayle asks an individual who was complained about to investigate themselves? What?

https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/grave-mistake-over-removal-of-voters-must-be-answered-for-peel-commissioners/

Noticible that Members of the Keys are silent on this issue, which you would presume they, as our democratic representatives in our Parliament would be shouting from the roof tops.

There again they are all part of Govermnent now.

Mr Jones as a retired Police Officer who also represented the Police Federation on the Isle of Man, you would presume would have his facts correct when challenging government.

You would  also presume in his Federation responsibility he would be aware of how our masters sweep embarrassment and scandal under the carpet.

 

I am sure Mr Jones will undeterred by the behaviour of those in power to answer to the electorate.

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2 hours ago, Whatnonsence said:

am sure Mr Jones will undeterred by the behaviour of those in power to answer to the electorate.

We must hope so.

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4 hours ago, Uhtred said:
7 hours ago, english zloty said:

Electoral Registration Officer reported direct to CS. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-32129843

Ah...thanks. So Mrs. Fletcher has retired?Didn’t she get a gong a while back? Possibly prematurely.

She still seems to be in position, though the number of minions seems to have decreased a little (or they're not updating the website).  She's been in that position for ten years and got an MBE in 2011, presumably because that's the sort of position you get one in.

It was never quite clear why this section of the Cabinet Office ended up responsible for elections.  Electoral registration is one of the few statutory functions the CO actually has (most of what it does involves the production of bullshit, to be honest) and always used to be done by the Economic Affairs Division, who might be expected to have a better grasp on the world of facts.

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3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

who might be expected to have a better grasp on the world of facts.

You, you person, you.... that's a whole mouthful of red wine spluttered all over my laptop! (no, I haven't started early, I'm off-Island elsewhere and a few hours ahead of IOM at the moment!).

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3 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

She still seems to be in position, though the number of minions seems to have decreased a little (or they're not updating the website).  She's been in that position for ten years and got an MBE in 2011, presumably because that's the sort of position you get one in.

It was never quite clear why this section of the Cabinet Office ended up responsible for elections.  Electoral registration is one of the few statutory functions the CO actually has (most of what it does involves the production of bullshit, to be honest) and always used to be done by the Economic Affairs Division, who might be expected to have a better grasp on the world of facts.

I still thought that the Economics people were involved in elections - as they are with the census. Unless I’m wrong about that too. Having said that, I remember posters on here (understandably) astonished that, when the previous post-holder retired,  government didn’t recruit another specialist economist. So perhaps that’s when elections went to CO. Of course, CO seems to be one great big gravitational field pulling everything in central government towards it. No doubt to the chagrin of Treasury which, I’m told, used to do that! (In fact, and I’m running off at a tangent and probably tilting at windmills here, I wonder if that’s anything to do with Couch leaving Treasury).

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19 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

You, you person, you.... that's a whole mouthful of red wine spluttered all over my laptop! (no, I haven't started early, I'm off-Island elsewhere and a few hours ahead of IOM at the moment!).

is that all ??   most of the planet is 20 years ahead  !

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14 minutes ago, Uhtred said:

I still thought that the Economics people were involved in elections - as they are with the census. Unless I’m wrong about that too.

You are because they've now invented yet another government section (which may explain why External Affairs is looking slightly smaller), the Crown and Elections Team[1], with, according to a recent job information sheet,  a Head of Crown and Elections Team (SEO), a Crown and Elections Manager (HEO) and a Team of two EOs and and AO.  Obviously this is work that used to be done by a couple of people in Economic Affairs in their spare time, hiring in a few temps when things got busy.

Obviously it would be logical for Economic Affairs to have continued doing it - apart from anything else electoral registration is a good way of keeping track of population and so on - but that would have interfered in the main purpose of the Cabinet Office, which making people feel important.  Though the actual work of registration will probably still continue to be done by temps (probably supervised by the AO), while everyone else has Very Important Meetings.

 

[1]   Obviously coupling together elections and an hereditary monarchy is ... unusual.  But these people have no sense of irony.

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12 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

You are because they've now invented yet another government section (which may explain why External Affairs is looking slightly smaller), the Crown and Elections Team[1], with, according to a recent job information sheet,  a Head of Crown and Elections Team (SEO), a Crown and Elections Manager (HEO) and a Team of two EOs and and AO.  Obviously this is work that used to be done by a couple of people in Economic Affairs in their spare time, hiring in a few temps when things got busy.

Obviously it would be logical for Economic Affairs to have continued doing it - apart from anything else electoral registration is a good way of keeping track of population and so on - but that would have interfered in the main purpose of the Cabinet Office, which making people feel important.  Though the actual work of registration will probably still continue to be done by temps (probably supervised by the AO), while everyone else has Very Important Meetings.

 

[1]   Obviously coupling together elections and an hereditary monarchy is ... unusual.  But these people have no sense of irony.

This has Chris Thomas' stamp all over it.

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38 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

This has Chris Thomas' stamp all over it.

Yup. Bell created it and CT has picked up the baton and run with it. Keeps people in jobs doncha know...

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40 minutes ago, Andy Onchan said:

This has Chris Thomas' stamp all over it.

I'm not quite so sure.  You've got to remember that Chris Thomas isn't the Minister for the Cabinet Office.  That's Howard Quayle, who like Bell before him, has kept the job for himself.  Thomas is the Minister for Policy and Reform, who has a job description heavy with jargon, but, as far as I can see, no actual power to impose anything or indeed stop anything and not even any people reporting directly to him.

So these endless reorganisations and ever-more top-heavy management structures are probably just dreamt up by civil servants and nodded through by Quayle.

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1 hour ago, Andy Onchan said:

This has Chris Thomas' stamp all over it.

Precisely what I thought. 

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