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Just now, quilp said:

An email reply from a Yasha Mousekewitz, a representative of the manufacturers: Anonymouse MMX, tells me that these fairy houses are produced by a collective of street-artists in Malmo, Sweden. They have no catalogue or price list and do not mass-produce these items for sale, which may reflect in the price tag as they take around 4 months to produce.

Still, there is a wealth of local talent which could've been involved in producing an equivalent at a fraction of the cost.

Did anyone in procurement think of asking around? 

It's worth pointing out that Edge's question yesterday was actually about procurementWhat procurement process was followed for the installation of fairy houses around the Island; and what the total cost was? and Skelly simply didn't answer that part of the question on the procurement process, despite Watterson pointing out that he should.  But no one pressed Skelly further and he was too busy congratulating everyone on this wonderful marketing 'success' to tell us what the procurement actually was.

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6 minutes ago, Roger Mexico said:

It's worth pointing out that Edge's question yesterday was actually about procurementWhat procurement process was followed for the installation of fairy houses around the Island; and what the total cost was? and Skelly simply didn't answer that part of the question on the procurement process, despite Watterson pointing out that he should.  But no one pressed Skelly further and he was too busy congratulating everyone on this wonderful marketing 'success' to tell us what the procurement actually was.

I don't know why we bother with any financial regulations here about procurement or otherwise ! they are just ignored !

All the way down from the MEA debacle to Eddie Teares and "strictly speaking it isn't public money", to small dwellings for mythical forest creatures there is no one bothered one offing bit about financial regulations ... unless of course you are outside the bubble then regulations bring the financial sector virtually to a halt. It really is a joke !!!

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1 hour ago, quilp said:

An email reply from a Yasha Mousekewitz, a representative of the manufacturers: Anonymouse MMX, tells me that these fairy houses are produced by a collective of street-artists in Malmo, Sweden. They have no catalogue or price list and do not mass-produce these items for sale, which may reflect in the price tag as they take around 4 months to produce.

You sure it wasnt Mickey Mousekewitz ? 

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What is the procurement rules if a firm approaches the government with an idea. Are the government obliged to offer that opportunity to all the companies less-innovative competitors?

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Just now, Declan said:

What is the procurement rules if a firm approaches the government with an idea. Are the government obliged to offer that opportunity to all the companies less-innovative competitors?

Surely procurement should be based on the best possible value for the people of the Isle of Man. You know like the purchase of new Mercedes Benz bus replacements...:rolleyes:

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14 minutes ago, Declan said:

What is the procurement rules if a firm approaches the government with an idea. Are the government obliged to offer that opportunity to all the companies less-innovative competitors?

Raises the question did the firm involved approach IOM gov, or did someone reach out? If the former, then you'd kind of think it was a slightly shitty thing to do if they then went and sourced from a cheaper alternative as the idea part would surely be part of the price.

 

13 minutes ago, Neil Down said:

Surely procurement should be based on the best possible value for the people of the Isle of Man. You know like the purchase of new Mercedes Benz bus replacements...:rolleyes:

That's a pretty poor comparison.

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Just now, TheTeapot said:

Raises the question did the firm involved approach IOM gov, or did someone reach out? If the former, then you'd kind of think it was a slightly shitty thing to do if they then went and sourced from a cheaper alternative as the idea part would surely be part of the price.

 

That's a pretty poor comparison.

Would you care to explain why?

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Sure. We already have a public transport system. It isn't like there was a gap in the market and Mercedes came along and said 'Hey IOM, you know what would be a really cool thing that we've thought of to help improve your enviroment - buses. And we've got some really nice shiny silver ones you can buy for a huge amount of money'.

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2 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Raises the question did the firm involved approach IOM gov, or did someone reach out? If the former, then you'd kind of think it was a slightly shitty thing to do if they then went and sourced from a cheaper alternative as the idea part would surely be part of the price.

Not really, it would be perfectly reasonable to convey something like, " Yes, we like this idea a lot, but there are rules governing the allocation of public finances so it will have to go to a procurement process". As long as the originator wasn't precluded from that process it would be fair. Or at least appear to be so. 

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4 minutes ago, TheTeapot said:

Sure. We already have a public transport system. It isn't like there was a gap in the market and Mercedes came along and said 'Hey IOM, you know what would be a really cool thing that we've thought of to help improve your enviroment - buses. And we've got some really nice shiny silver ones you can buy for a huge amount of money'.

Not good enough (unless you are in charge of government procurement) After all, we are talking about procurement of anything related to the government - aren’t we?

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1 minute ago, La Colombe said:

Not really, it would be perfectly reasonable to convey something like, " Yes, we like this idea a lot, but there are rules governing the allocation of public finances so it will have to go to a procurement process". As long as the originator wasn't precluded from that process it would be fair. Or at least appear to be so. 

Yeah, I kind of agree with that, but in a case like this one where the thing being procured is public art I'd kind of imagine there could be some kind of intellectual rights or something. Maybe. I dunno really.

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23 minutes ago, Declan said:

What is the procurement rules if a firm approaches the government with an idea. Are the government obliged to offer that opportunity to all the companies less-innovative competitors?

I don't know - but if there was an exemption (and you could see why there might be) all Skelly had to say was that that it was covered by section whatever of the rules.  The fact he ignored it completely suggests that he couldn't justify himself.

Whether Anonymouse MMX actually came up with the idea is another matter.  Even if these objects take several months to make, it still suggests that they were commissioned earlier this year.  But, as already has been pointed out, Balley Cashtel Beg has been doing this sort of 'find the fairy houses' thing since Summer 2017, so it's not a new idea.  I'm sure the Swedish ones are more beautifully made (how they will stand up to a Manx Winter is another matter), but it seems unlikely it was their idea.

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Just now, Neil Down said:

Not good enough (unless you are in charge of government procurement) After all, we are talking about procurement of anything related to the government - aren’t we?

Well no, not really. We were discussing the procurement of strange and mysterious things, rather than general procurement across all of government. Although obviously the way Bus Vannin operate could be described as strange and mysterious.

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I suppose you're right when it comes to art. Perhaps artists shouldn't be allowed to hustle governments to buy their works, too much scope for cronyism. Maybe governments should come up with the ideas in the first place and then invite interest from artists. I dunno either. But the indirect marketing value used as post purchase justification is mental. 

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