'Smooth transition for trade' between IOM and UK

[gettafa 3,817]

From Manx Radio

 

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Draft Crown Dependencies Customs Union Order approved

We're set for a 'smooth transition for trade' between the Isle of Man and UK after Brexit.

It's after the House of Commons voted to approve the draft Crown Dependencies Customs Union (Isle of Man) (EU Exit) Order 2018.

The vote went 304 to 263.

The Treasury Minister Alfred Cannan signed the new proposed customs agreement towards the end of last year.

And he has welcomed this week's vote, which ratifies that agreement:

The Order is here (the draft refers to Jersey, but relates to Guernsey and Isle of Man too, in identical drafts) 

Well that's good to know. But I'm not so sure it is going to be smooth or that the agreement has been confidently ratified. I'm not even sure if it is a good arrangement or who benefits from it.

263 of the 567 who voted must think similarly. The committees didn't appear to have that much of a love for the Crown Dependencies either, when considering the matters.

Forget Brexit (although these Orders are related to Brexit) If there is a socialist government in the UK the Isle of Man and its partners in crime are likely going to get their arses kicked.

 

 

 

Edited January 26 by gettafa

[woolley 14,596]

On a swift perusal I don't see anything different or onerous. Anyone else?

[Shake me up Judy 3,536]

This was never in doubt. It's trade between the UK, Europe and the rest of the world post Brexit that matters. Our government has, as usual, been very quiet on this. Just the usual blather and meaningless empty phrases, when really they haven't got a clue.

[gettafa 3,817]

18 minutes ago, woolley said:

On a swift perusal I don't see anything different or onerous. Anyone else?

And that was the point made by one of the questioners at committee. It was pointless.

Except that 263 voted against it (the 304  had nothing to be persuaded on and just nodded it through, one can assume).

I suggest that this provides an up-to-date barometer of what Westminster thinks of the Crown Dependencies.

[Donald Trumps 3,483]

Why did so many parliamentarians vote against it?

[woody2 4,291]

18 minutes ago, Donald Trumps said:

Why did so many parliamentarians vote against it?

the lefties don't like "tax havens"......

[Max Power 3,814]

1 hour ago, woody2 said:

the lefties don't like "tax havens"......

I don't think Parliament has it in its remit to change the status of the Crown Dependencies, no matter what they may like to think? 

[gettafa 3,817]

1 hour ago, woody2 said:

the lefties don't like "tax havens"......

That's a considerable amount of lefties though. I would expect a handful, certainly less than 50 to vote anything against Tax Havens the Crown Dependencies, no matter how innocuous, as is this piece of legislation (is it legislation??)

But 263 is a considerable proportion.

Well, there's one thing, that's 263 names that are going to have to be considered for invites to this year's Tynwald Banquet. If there's one thing politicians know, then that's how to persuade another politician -  give 'em a good time.

And what better than an invite to the annual Tynwald bash.

Edited January 26 by gettafa

[gettafa 3,817]

2 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

This was never in doubt.

Of course you are right, and in any case it looks to be meaningless hot air clap trap.

But 304 to 263 is an interesting divide. 

[John Wright 3,880]

14 minutes ago, gettafa said:

Of course you are right, and in any case it looks to be meaningless hot air clap trap.

But 304 to 263 is an interesting divide. 

It’s just putting the successor common purse/shared VAT and duties agreement and the new common external tariff on an up to date footing.

Dont know what you see as odd about the votes or margins. There were 300+ post Brexit/ hard Brexit pieces of subordinate/secondary legislation pushed through last week.

Government and bought Ulster Unionists voted for, opposition parties voted against ( its sort of what they do ). The surprise is that there was even a quorum, but that may be to do with the other stuff voted either side, or the febrile state of Westminster politics.

[Lxxx 4,721]

5 hours ago, Shake me up Judy said:

This was never in doubt. It's trade between the UK, Europe and the rest of the world post Brexit that matters. Our government has, as usual, been very quiet on this. Just the usual blather and meaningless empty phrases, when really they haven't got a clue.

We'll just piggy back on whatever WTO deals are struck by the UK, apart from a few minor tweaks we can make ourselves with the likes of St Helena for Manx cheese or something of similar national significance.

Edited January 26 by Lxxx

[Dirty Buggane 59]

Lets not forget old Alfie boy signed us up to this with no idea what-so ever this would mean to customs or excise or how much it was going to cost us or the how much power we were giving away. So he got lucky and is now singing his own praises on how smart he is and how lucky we have him in goverment

[Derek Flint 1,150]

8 hours ago, Max Power said:

I don't think Parliament has it in its remit to change the status of the Crown Dependencies, no matter what they may like to think? 

I think ultimately whilst there is a crown involved, they can do with us whatever they wish

[gettafa 3,817]

So, reading through the replies, this would appear to be (ie. it is) very much a virtually meaningless non-event, a straightforward procedure.

But Manx Radio has reported it complete with sound bite. So it must be more important than a proverbial cat stuck up the proverbial tree.

I wonder is this rather generic Order what Howard and the gang have been largely traipsing over to Westminster for.

 

Edited January 27 by gettafa

[woody2 4,291]

it was 302/263........

Noes 

• Green Party (1) ▼
• Independent (3) ▼
• Labour (217) ▼
• Liberal Democrat (10) ▼
• Plaid Cymru (3) ▼
• Scottish National Party (29)

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2019-01-22/division/5F28DE03-782E-4D82-8EDD-BBCA40717356/BusinessWithoutDebate?outputType=Names